Global collapse by summer?

[Joewy]

another good article that popped up today..looks like we've got till may 16..or early july with some "creative bookkeeping"..ha

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/04/23/us...ec1_lnk3|57984

If you read the article you will notice the 43% of spending is from debt. I doubt that the sale of treasuries will stop cold turkey. However it will be cut back a lot. And the debt that is bought by others will come with a much higher price tag.

Someone pointed out that debt payments are only 6% of federal spending. That is because only interest is being paid and new debt must be sold to pay the principal on the short term treasuries.

When we hit the ceiling , someone will be hurt. It is just the way it is. Someone must accept the pain. Or the pain must be forced upon them.
I doubt that the creditors will accept the pain. So it only leaves us, the collateral.

[Southwest Chuck]

i am currently living a shtf life style, was forced into it by my own economic crisis and depression.
The good thing about it is I am way out in the middle of nowhere, a two hour drive to a population center (Reno)
Surrounded by food ( wild horses, cattle, antelope, deer, and supposedly wild sheep)
The bad thing is its a two hour drive to buy food I like to eat.
I don't have any income but I try to stock up on coffee & canned food when I can.
if the SHTF the password for the valley is "two weeks" if you make it here I'll be the guy manning the blockade

Ok, got the password down, just need to know the locale or GPS coordinates .

Actually, I've been thinking about doing some research into better localities to live and get out of the rat race/population center. I've done some of prepping and have a good skill set. Been thinking the eastern Sierra and or/desert region, Lone Pine are north, etc. Not real familiar with Nevada, though.

[smle-man]

Lots of great places to live in remote rural areas but no way to make a living once you are there. If there was then there would be a lot more folks living there.

[Midian]

The people that have a knee jerk "tin foil hat" snarky response when someone mentions the sinister, intentional bankrupting of the middle class or the fraudulent case rolled out to us to garner support for what is now THREE wars (that we know of) also typically think TV news is real, Sarah Palin is a politician, and that it's okay to get microwaved and photographed naked at the goddamn airort to protect you from the Al Qeada boogeyman.

The pioneers take the arrows as we know. The truth can be a bloody ugly thing. Years ago the news and Limbaugh said the Bilderberg Group didn't exist. Now it's played off in the media as if it's just a smoochy good time retreat for all the power brokers. Even Judge Napolitano and Geraldo Rivera (both FOX News employees) question 9-11, specifically Building Seven. Now it's openly stated that we protect the opium fields in Afghanistan. All that was conspiracy theory. Now it's admitted.

The New World Order does exist, it is a cadre of psychopathic, humanity hating high octane finance oligarchs and servile stooges that see themselves as our Masters. They create chaos in the world so that they can step in with the solution to the problem they have created, thus appearing as out saviours, and further solidify their roles as master. The out of control snarl of derivatives fraud, the removal of Glass Steagal, the runaway debt and short selling of tangible, real world wealth is all part of the controlled demolition we see in front of us.

So before people plunk their fat corn syrup addicted carcasses down in front of their TVs to play another round of Guitar Hero with their fake plastic Chinese made mini Stratocaster, maybe they ought to look in to the dark truths of what is happening all around us.

Start the clock.

[chris]

The people that have a knee jerk "tin foil hat" snarky response when someone mentions the sinister, intentional bankrupting of the middle class or the fraudulent case rolled out to us to garner support for what is now THREE wars (that we know of) also typically think TV news is real, Sarah Palin is a politician, and that it's okay to get microwaved and photographed naked at the goddamn airort to protect you from the Al Qeada boogeyman.

The pioneers take the arrows as we know. The truth can be a bloody ugly thing. Years ago the news and Limbaugh said the Bilderberg Group didn't exist. Now it's played off in the media as if it's just a smoochy good time retreat for all the power brokers. Even Judge Napolitano and Geraldo Rivera (both FOX News employees) question 9-11, specifically Building Seven. Now it's openly stated that we protect the opium fields in Afghanistan. All that was conspiracy theory. Now it's admitted.

The New World Order does exist, it is a cadre of psychopathic, humanity hating high octane finance oligarchs and servile stooges that see themselves as our Masters. They create chaos in the world so that they can step in with the solution to the problem they have created, thus appearing as out saviours, and further solidify their roles as master. The out of control snarl of derivatives fraud, the removal of Glass Steagal, the runaway debt and short selling of tangible, real world wealth is all part of the controlled demolition we see in front of us.

So before people plunk their fat corn syrup addicted carcasses down in front of their TVs to play another round of Guitar Hero with their fake plastic Chinese made mini Stratocaster, maybe they ought to look in to the dark truths of what is happening all around us.

Start the clock.

george soros sounds like the ring leader of what you mentioned.

[Midian]

Sorros is certainly in the upper eschelon

[Joewy]

The people that have a knee jerk "tin foil hat" snarky response when someone mentions the sinister, intentional bankrupting of the middle class or the fraudulent case rolled out to us to garner support for what is now THREE wars (that we know of) also typically think TV news is real, Sarah Palin is a politician, and that it's okay to get microwaved and photographed naked at the goddamn airort to protect you from the Al Qeada boogeyman.

The pioneers take the arrows as we know. The truth can be a bloody ugly thing. Years ago the news and Limbaugh said the Bilderberg Group didn't exist. Now it's played off in the media as if it's just a smoochy good time retreat for all the power brokers. Even Judge Napolitano and Geraldo Rivera (both FOX News employees) question 9-11, specifically Building Seven. Now it's openly stated that we protect the opium fields in Afghanistan. All that was conspiracy theory. Now it's admitted.

The New World Order does exist, it is a cadre of psychopathic, humanity hating high octane finance oligarchs and servile stooges that see themselves as our Masters. They create chaos in the world so that they can step in with the solution to the problem they have created, thus appearing as out saviours, and further solidify their roles as master. The out of control snarl of derivatives fraud, the removal of Glass Steagal, the runaway debt and short selling of tangible, real world wealth is all part of the controlled demolition we see in front of us.

So before people plunk their fat corn syrup addicted carcasses down in front of their TVs to play another round of Guitar Hero with their fake plastic Chinese made mini Stratocaster, maybe they ought to look in to the dark truths of what is happening all around us.

Start the clock.

You will fit right in in Wyoming.

[Midian]

You will fit right in in Wyoming.

Oddly enough, my parents are from there. Rock Springs and Glenrock.

[Joewy]

Oddly enough, my parents are from there. Rock Springs and Glenrock.

Rock springs is one of the few dens of lefty liberals in Wyoming. We avoid it like the plague. But in California they would apear to be far right fanatics.

[cudakidd]

Sure a collapse by Summer...what year/decade/century? That's the loophole!

I've been hearing this since the late 70s. Read Mel Tappans articles and bought his book. So Nothing new, just a new calamity waiting to happen.

Having said that, my BOB and gear is evolving and set for a 3 day event centering around a earthquake with a temporary disruption of services. I have a trailer pre-loaded for the same event. Weeks worth of food and water.

Prepare for your worrisome event of choice and then go on with your life. Life is too short to spend it preparing for something you can't really prepare for since Murphy will screw with your plans anyway and you don't really want to happen unless you like giving up hot showers, modern dentistry, antibotics and ice cream!

[gorblimey]

There are a lot of problems in the US that arent there in other countries such as Argentina.
I would expect something more like Rwanda then Argentina. Much effort has been spent is dividing the population in the last few decades. We are not a homogenous population anymore. There is a lot of hatred that has been stoked and will be stoked some more when things get bad. Its all politics you know... Just remember the rodney king riots. If you dont think something like that will happen on a larger scale when things really are tough, well then just stick your head in the sand and wait to see your maker.

Indeed, there is that factor, though I wonder what shape it'll take. Much depends on the rapidity/severity of the crisis, one's distance from urban centers of "strength through diversity*", the level of presence of the enforcement class, and of course whether one's group is the traditional victim or victimizer in these encounters.

* - brilliant Newspeak terminology, innit

[gorblimey]

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I always thought about getting my neighborhood together and so when SHTF we can band together and defend our neighborhood, but unfortunately i'm surrounded by senior citizens.

Any grumpy veterans among them? Those guys are each worth a platoon of soccer moms or Generation Me wastrels.

[C.W.M.V.]

Any grumpy veterans ...

[celticstorm]

Any grumpy veterans among them? Those guys are each worth a platoon of soccer moms or Generation Me wastrels.

That would be my husband

[Spetsnazos]

Hey,Yugo,where in sfv are you?
Im up to the survivalist group meetings,maybe even training of some sorts(sharing what everybody knows about survival,using of survivalist/camping equipmnet,filtering water,hunting,etc.)
Anybody else from sfv here interested?

I'm in sfv, I'm down lets plan this.