Global collapse by summer?

[Turk]

How many here from Imperial Valley ? Indio , Palm Desert , or Yuma Az. ?

[tokarev_tt]

Hey,Yugo,where in sfv are you?
Im up to the survivalist group meetings,maybe even training of some sorts(sharing what everybody knows about survival,using of survivalist/camping equipmnet,filtering water,hunting,etc.)
Anybody else from sfv here interested?

so how about it guys can we start something?

[celticstorm]

that's why getting a group together makes sense, if you can trust each other. In a group you may have different, yet important skills. Some may have resources to stockpile upfront, or to organize.. you know a team..

Well said.

[Yugo]

Hey,Yugo,where in sfv are you?
Im up to the survivalist group meetings,maybe even training of some sorts(sharing what everybody knows about survival,using of survivalist/camping equipmnet,filtering water,hunting,etc.)
Anybody else from sfv here interested?

van nuys....lets do it guys im willing to start it we can all meet at my house I can occupy lots of people here contact me lets do it!!!

[Mssr. Eleganté]

I'd wager a brick of 22LR with any takers that the stock exchanges, water grid, power grid, and Congress will all still be running in October.

Anyone?

got any 7.62x39?

If QQQ doesn't take you up on it then I'll wager you 500 rounds of 7.62x39 that the stock exchanges, water, power and Congress will still be running in October of 2011. If you are not at least 18 years of age by October and you win the bet then the ammo will have to go to your parent or legal guardian.

[Quinc]

I did the math too and with the amount of stars I can see at midnight plus the sun being on my left side yesterday, shows that the end is going to happen so please buy all of your ammo and supplies from walmart so the stock goes up.

[Californio]

Yes true, but how many people actually know? Its old technology, and a lot of it has been "lost". Its a lot easier to feed your family, than "a team". If you are eating 1lb of beef a day, thats not much at all, and you will have to have vegetables, and a bread to go along with it.

1 hung beef is say 600lbs.

4 person family, thats 150 days worth of food @ 1lb a day, and that is liberal.

"A team" say 20 people, thats 30 days worth of meat alone, and that is pretty liberal.

Deer 150 lbs live, 70 lbs hanging

4 people 15 days approximately?

"a team" of 20 2 or 3 days, MAX.

Then their is starches and potatoes,

a family of 4 say 2 potatoes a day thats close to 2800 potatoes a year to survive.

"a team" of 20 20k potatoes?

Granted you need more than "meat and potatoes" but you can survive off them alone if necesarry, it will keep the scurvy away.

So, see why it would be vary hard to feed "a team". And on this team, someone has to lead it. What about clothing, and or shelter? Clothing wears out A LOT quicker when you are outside wearing it all day. How many of these people are going to know how to tan hides to make them into britches and shirts, and moccasins? Granted you should have enough hides with "a team". sickness is going to be a lot more prevalent with a lot of people together as opposed to your family.

Back to the meat, I dont know how much time most of you spend in rural areas, but dont expect to live on deer. Their arent any, making an educated guess, if people around here were to try to live on deer alone, their MIGHT be enough to last 2 weeks. Then what few their are would be completely gone. Their are pigs, but pigs dont hang well. Turkeys, a few. Quail, yes, a few. Rabbits, not many, gonna starve depending on those.

Ca just DOES NOT have the game numbers for everyone to survive on. And if you think "oh well, Ill just shoot someones cow." That idea is going to get you dead, and I mean quick. That would be a BAD idea.

Totally agree, no one has thought it out. I am lucky we have had our ranch for over 30 years and local people know us.

One reason I go to the old hardware store that dates back almost 100 years and not the big box store that moved in.

[Yugo]

If QQQ doesn't take you up on it then I'll wager you 500 rounds of 7.62x39 that the stock exchanges, water, power and Congress will still be running in October of 2011. If you are not at least 18 years of age by October and you win the bet then the ammo will have to go to your parent or legal guardian.

I was being sarcastic (should have typed it) I dont think the chances of this happening are enough for me to bet but my tin is on and watter is stored just like the rest of you. And under 18? what made you think im under 18?

[PatriotnMore]

Silver and gold up...up.. and away. I am thinking the vid about the guys collapse by summer may have some value, this is freakin nuts.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

...And under 18? what made you think im under 18?

I think the tall ceiling and the short pants in your avatar combined to give me a mistaken impression.

[Yugo]

good one.

[sgvxdave]

sgv chapter?

[ArticleTheFourth]

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

[ArticleTheFourth]

http://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html]

[PatriotnMore]

This was quick http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc96k...embedded#at=74

Language aside, just watching is eyeopening, other countries are breaking it down to animation.