High Octane Post SHTF Barter Item Question

[ZenDaddy]

Hey folks I have a question...

I just inherited a supply of Old Crow whiskey that my uncle bought a few years ago as a potential barter item should shtf. I'm talking some serious booze here; he gave me four cases with 48 half pints of hootch in each case. Here is my issue; I have several friends who are on the permanent wagon that spend significant amounts of time at my house that don't need that kind of temptation. I don't want these around and I would like to sell them. Is it legal to sell booze at a yard sale or to a private buyer? Could I get in trouble with ATF?

What do you think?

[ocspeedracer]

i think i wish you were in so cal. i don't think there's anything wrong, but i really don't know, just make sure the people are 21.

[ZenDaddy]

I think I am going to rephrase the question; Does anybody know how to legally sell or trade a personal inventory of 2000 ml bottles of Whiskey while a resident of California?

I think that my Uncle was inspired to get these as barter items. Can you picture being the guy with 240 little bottles of hootch? I think it might actually be up there with antibiotics and ammo.

[olhunter]

Just host a giant build party.

The guns might be kinda funky looking and perhaps unshootable, but everyone will have a good time.

If not, you need a liquor license to sell it, even to friends. Technically.

[Cali-Shooter]

The following is information from Wikipedia, so do NOT take it as law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_alcohol_laws_of_the_United_States_by_state

[ZenDaddy]

The following is information from Wikipedia, so do NOT take it as law.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...tates_by_state

So, are you saying you believe this means I can safely sell my stash? Or are you saying I can safely throw a big party?! I like the idea of a party, but I dont drink and would really like to use the proceeds from the sale of the stash to follow through on the spirit of the gift and augment my preparedness storage....... hmmmm

[olhunter]

So, are you saying you believe this means I can safely sell my stash? Or are you saying I can safely throw a big party?!

No, you can't sell your stash (legally).

Yes, you can throw a big party. But you can't charge for the alcohol. You can charge admission, charge for the chips and dip, even charge to swim in the pool, but not for the booze.

UPDATE - Ok, you might be able to sell it. Only to a licensed person though and if you meet the criteria for executor or administrator of your uncle's estate. This is from the B&P (Business and Profession) code -

23104.4. An executor or administrator of the estate of a deceased
person who was not a licensee at the time of his death but in whose
estate there is included an inventory of alcoholic beverages, or the
guardian or conservator of the estate of an incompetent person in
whose estate there is included an inventory of alcoholic beverages,
is authorized to sell such alcoholic beverages to a licensee
authorized to sell the same in accordance with regulations prescribed
by the department. Nothing in this division prevents or restricts
the sale to a nonlicensee of bottled wine included among such
inventory of alcoholic beverages by such executor, administrator,
guardian, conservator, or an auctioneer acting as an agent of any of
the foregoing when the sale is in compliance with Section 24045.8.

[ZenDaddy]

lol

Party at my place! Admission: $400 ''''''''open bar (limited selection)''''''''''''' Starts at 7:00 ends at 7:15!

I get the feeling I'm stuck with this hootch

[faterikcartman]

I thought you were selling Old Crow collectible bottles? The value is in the bottle, that's what you're selling right? Not some liquid that may remain in the collectible bottle?

[mschliebs]

I have a couple cases of Two Buck Chuck in the larder and from time to time add a case of 10 one-ounce bottles of Jim Beam. I don't know how the store can afford to sell them for $1.10 each ounce. I also have a couple bottles of Tequila stashed away that are over ten years old. If I were any where near Folsom I would imagine that you could possibly find a few unexplained bill$ laying around on your floor.

If you could possibly donate a case this way, ......

[TurboChrisB]

I know people sell booze on ebay all the time.....they just write a disclaimer stating they are selling the bottle only but that it is full and unopened...so, it would lead one to believe you don't need a liqueur license to sell it.....and I've seen many times people advertise alcohol on forums.....I've done it. I think you're best bet is on any online forums you belong to...but I'm thinking you're gonna have to sell it pretty cheap.

[Eljay]

Can't you just stash it someplace in an unmarked box and tell everybody you sold it?

[olhunter]

I know people sell booze on ebay all the time.....they just write a disclaimer stating they are selling the bottle only but that it is full and unopened...so, it would lead one to believe you don't need a liqueur license to sell it.....and I've seen many times people advertise alcohol on forums.....I've done it. I think you're best bet is on any online forums you belong to...but I'm thinking you're gonna have to sell it pretty cheap.

Different states, different laws. He's governed by Ca law that says he can't sell it. It might be fine for the eBay seller in Ohio. And when you start carving out perceived loopholes in the law, you're asking for it.

Just because you've done it and got away with it, doesn't make it right or legal.

Just hang onto it for barter like you said. Save up the other $400 for the other stuff. Or have that party. I would say that even though it's a misdemeanor, it's probably not worth it. It's up to you though.

You can't even trade it. -

23025. "Sell" or "sale" and "to sell" includes any transaction
whereby, for any consideration, title to alcoholic beverages is
transferred from one person to another, and includes the delivery of
alcoholic beverages pursuant to an order placed for the purchase of
such beverages and soliciting or receiving an order for such
beverages, but does not include the return of alcoholic beverages by
a licensee to the licensee from whom such beverages were purchased.

[Peter W Bush]

You can sell it. It's illegal for a store to purchase it from you for resale.

[ZenDaddy]

lots of conflicting opinions. The guy at CABC wasn't even entirely sure. I think I'll see if there is any interest in '74 vintage Old Crow glass bottles. They look pretty cool with the embossed raven. I found a '74 print add that would look great in a wall display in the old basement bar.