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  • Librarian
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    • Oct 2005
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    CA Knife Laws

    === UPDATED 4/11/16 with info on 'carry on your person ===

    So, here are the State level knife laws.

    As noted, there is no state pre-emption here - local jurisdictions are free to create their own regs. Cities and counties can create only infractions and misdemeanors. (Gov Code 25132(a), 36900).

    CONCEALED FIXED BLADE KNIVES on your person, any length, are ALWAYS ILLEGAL, as ‘dirks or daggers’ – Penal Code 21310
    Except as provided in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section
    17700) of Division 2 of Title 2, any person in this state who carries
    concealed upon the person any dirk or dagger is punishable by
    imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state
    prison.
    In a bag or briefcase that you carry is 'on your person'.See the CA Court of appeals case Pellecer 4/17/2013 where the court says 'no' to that.

    But People v Wade in 2015 refused to adopt Pellecer, so back to square one.

    In your car is NOT 'on your person'. Concealed in your car is not 'concealed on your person'.

    On-duty LEO seem to be exempt from this:
    12020(b)(12) The sale to, possession of, or purchase of any weapon, device, or ammunition, other than a short-barreled rifle or short-barreled shotgun, by any federal, state, county, city and county, or city agency that is charged with the enforcement of any law for use in the discharge of their official duties,

    or the possession of any weapon, device, or ammunition, other than a short-barreled rifle or short-barreled shotgun, by peace officers thereof when on duty and the use is authorized by the agency and is within the course and scope of their duties.
    UN-CONCEALED FIXED BLADE KNIVES may be legal, depending on where you are.

    A NON-LOCKING FOLDING KNIFE, or a closed FOLDING KNIFE, any length, is not a ‘dirk or dagger’ – PC 16470
    As used in this part, "dirk" or "dagger" means a knife or
    other instrument with or without a handguard that is capable of ready
    use as a stabbing weapon that may inflict great bodily injury or
    death. A nonlocking folding knife, a folding knife that is not
    prohibited by Section 21510, or a pocketknife is capable of ready use
    as a stabbing weapon that may inflict great bodily injury or death
    only if the blade of the knife is exposed and locked into position.
    SWITCH BLADE KNIVES, blade length 2 inches or longer, are ILLEGAL TO CARRY – Penal Code 21510 (was 653k):
    Every person who does any of the following with a
    switchblade knife having a blade two or more inches in length is
    guilty of a misdemeanor:
    (a) Possesses the knife in the passenger's or driver's area of any
    motor vehicle in any public place or place open to the public.
    (b) Carries the knife upon the person.
    (c) Sells, offers for sale, exposes for sale, loans, transfers, or
    gives the knife to any other person.
    PC 17235
    For the purposes of this section, "switchblade knife" means a
    knife having the appearance of a pocketknife and includes a
    spring-blade knife, snap-blade knife, gravity knife or any other
    similar type knife, the blade or blades of which are two or more
    inches in length and which can be released automatically by a flick
    of a button, pressure on the handle, flip of the wrist or other
    mechanical device, or is released by the weight of the blade or by
    any type of mechanism whatsoever. "Switchblade knife" does not
    include a knife that opens with one hand utilizing thumb pressure
    applied solely to the blade of the knife or a thumb stud attached to
    the blade, provided that the knife has a detent or other mechanism
    that provides resistance that must be overcome in opening the blade,
    or that biases the blade back toward its closed position.
    For purposes of this section, "passenger's or driver's area" means
    that part of a motor vehicle which is designed to carry the driver
    and passengers, including any interior compartment or space therein.
    In public (government) buildings or at public meetings, fixed or folder with 4"+ blade is a wobbler:
    171b. (a) Any person who brings or possesses within any state or
    local public building or at any meeting required to be open to the
    public ... any of the following is guilty of a public offense
    punishable by imprisonment in a county jail for not more than one
    year, or in the state prison:
    ...
    (3) Any knife with a blade length in excess of four inches, the
    blade of which is fixed or is capable of being fixed in an unguarded
    position by the use of one or two hands.
    On K-12 school grounds, it is illegal to bring most knives: PC 626.10
    (a) Any person, … who brings or possesses any dirk, dagger, ice pick,

    knife having a blade longer than 2 1/2 inches,

    folding knife with a blade that locks into place,

    a razor with an unguarded blade,

    upon the grounds of, or within, any public or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or any of grades 1 to 12, inclusive,

    is guilty of a public offense, punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by imprisonment in the state prison.
    (b) Any person, … who brings or possesses any dirk, dagger, ice pick, or

    knife having a fixed blade longer than 2 1/2 inches

    upon the grounds of, or within,
    any private university, the University of California, the California State University, or the California Community Colleges

    is guilty of a public offense, punishable by imprisonment in a
    county jail not exceeding one year, or by imprisonment in the state
    prison.
    blade two and one-half inches or more in length.
    C. Any folding knife with a blade that locks into place.
    EXCEPTIONS from PC 626.10
    (c) Subdivisions (a) and (b) do not apply to any person who brings
    or possesses a knife having a blade longer than 2 1/2 inches or a
    razor with an unguarded blade upon the grounds of, or within,
    a public or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or any
    of grades 1 to 12, inclusive, or
    any private university, state university, or community college

    at the direction of a faculty member
    of the private university, state university, or community college,

    or a certificated or classified employee of the school

    for use in a private university, state university, community college, or
    school-sponsored activity or class.

    (d) Subdivisions (a) and (b) do not apply to any person who brings
    or possesses an ice pick, a knife having a blade longer than 21/2
    inches, or a razor with an unguarded blade upon the grounds of, or
    within,

    a public or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or any of grades 1 to 12, inclusive,

    or any private university, state university, or community college

    for a lawful purpose within the scope of the person's employment.

    (e) Subdivision (b) does not apply to any person who brings or
    possesses an ice pick or a knife having a fixed blade longer than
    21/2 inches upon the grounds of, or within, any private university,
    state university, or community college

    for lawful use in or around a residence or residential facility located upon those grounds or

    for lawful use in food preparation or consumption.
    I'll leave out the prohibition of dirks/daggers from those in prison ...

    ==============================================

    new member wrdavis, in this thread adds a link to http://handgunlaw.us/documents/USKnife.pdf.

    Some nice person has produced a list, with links to the municipal or county codes, of the local knife restrictions he/she could find.

    For example, Marin County actually does prohibit some blades concealed in vehicles:
    6.52.010 - Carrying prohibited—Penalty—Exceptions.

    Every person who within the unincorporated territory of the county of Marin carries concealed upon his person, or concealed within any vehicle which is under his control or direction, any knife with a blade three inches or more in length; and snap-blade knife, regardless of the length of the blade; any springblade knife, regardless of the length of the blade; any ice pick or similar sharp stabbing tool; any straight-edge razor; any razor blade fitted to a handle; or any cutting, stabbing or bludgeoning weapon or device capable of inflicting grievous bodily harm, is guilty of a misdemeanor ...
    and they make no distinctions between fixed or folder. Open carry evidently is OK.

    City of Oakland has a three-inch limit at Code of Ordinances 9.36.010.

    === Social Engineering and Enforcement ===

    The bulk of anecdotes suggests that enforcement is more like 'arrest for something, find something to charge, oh, look, a knife!'.

    We don't regularly hear about hikers arrested for "dirk or dagger", nor picnickers, nor cooking school students with a roll of chef's knives.

    ETA 8/28/12 In fact, People v Mitchell, COURT OF APPEAL, FOURTH APPELLATE DISTRICT DIVISION ONE (Super. Ct. No. SCD229968) 2012 says
    In addition to incorporating a knowledge element, the California Supreme Court has generally recognized that when a defendant is charged with an offense that penalizes possession of an instrument that is ordinarily usable for peaceful purposes, the defendant may justify the possession by showing the possession was "in accordance with [the instrument's] ordinary legitimate design." (People v. Grubb (1965) 63 Cal.2d 614, 621, fn. 9; see Rubalcava, supra, 23 Cal.4th at p. 329 ["the surrounding circumstances of possession—including defendant's intended use—were relevant to the issue of whether the [object] was a prohibited weapon"].) Consistent with this principle, the standard CALCRIM instruction for the offense of carrying a concealed dirk or dagger directs that when the instrument may have innocent uses, the jury should be given an instruction stating: "When deciding whether the defendant knew the object . . . could be used as a
    stabbing weapon, consider all the surrounding circumstances, including the time and place of possession. Consider also the destination of the defendant, the alteration of the object from standard form, and other facts, if any." (CALCRIM No. 2501, parentheses and bracketed punctuation omitted; see also CALJIC 12.41 [the "mental state with which a knife or other instrument is carried may be inferred from the evidence, including the attendant circumstances, the time, place, destination of the possessor . . . and any other relevant facts established by the evidence"].)

    ...

    In Rubalcava, supra, 23 Cal.4th at page 333, the California Supreme Court acknowledged that the statute "may seem overbroad as a matter of common sense" if it was applied to such innocuous circumstances as a tailor who places a pair of scissors in his jacket, a shopper who walks out of a store with a recently purchased steak knife in his pocket, or a parent who wraps a sharp knife in a paper towel and places it in his coat to take to a PTA potluck dinner. (Id. at pp. 331, 333.) However, the court concluded that it would not find the statute "unconstitutionally overbroad without some concrete impairment of constitutionally protected conduct." (Id. at p. 333.)
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    Librarian
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    Just to re-emphasize, the State does NOT pre-empt local governments from making their own laws, so you must check with the local city and county codes.
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      Decoligny
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      • Mar 2008
      • 10615

      Nit picking a little, but the wording in the switchblade section should be changed from:

      SWITCH BLADE KNIVES, blade length greater than 2 inches, are ILLEGAL TO CARRY – Penal Code 21510 (was 653k):

      to

      SWITCH BLADE KNIVES, blade length 2 inches or longer, are ILLEGAL TO CARRY – Penal Code 21510 (was 653k):

      We don't need someone getting popped for a swithcblade that is exactly 2" long.
      1.99" legal.
      2.0" or greater ILLEGAL.
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        Good point; fixed.

        Thanks.
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          xrayoneone
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          • Oct 2012
          • 359

          Great resource here.

          KnifeUp provides free knife law guides for all 50 states. Click on the state you are interested in to read about its knife laws. I try to keep these guides as up-to-date and accurate as possible but laws do change so please leave a comment if you see something wrong. Choose Your State AL AK...

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            Originally posted by xrayoneone
            Not very good for CA.

            "Carrying knives concealed is legal in California for most knives." -- only if 'most' means 'folded folders'.

            "Dirks, daggers, and stilettos are illegal." -- No, they're not. As in the first post, it's concealed dirks/daggers that are illegal - owning/buying/selling the knives is fine, and carrying openly can be. CA law mentions 'stiletto' only in the definition of a 'cane sword' in 16340.

            And their switchblade discussion is a bit too narrow; so long as one does not do any of the things in 21510, switchblades are legal to own and possess, even if the blade is longer than 2 inches. Can't buy them in CA, because it's illegal to sell in CA.
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              Since this comes up all the time:

              Los Angeles: it's both city and county.

              Los Angeles County Ordinance
              13.62.010 Knives and daggers defined.

              As used in this chapter, the terms "knives and daggers" shall include any knife having a blade of three inches or more
              // Code link updated 6-9-21
              Los Angeles City Ordinance
              SEC. 55.10. CARRY KNIVES OR DAGGERS IN PLAIN VIEW PROHIBITED.
              (Added by Ord. No. 162,995, Eff. 1/7/88.)

              (a) As used in this section, the term “knife ” or “dagger” shall include any knife , dirk or dagger having a blade 3 inches or more in length, any ice pick or similar sharp tool, any straight edge razor or any razor blade fitted to a handle.

              (b) No person shall wear or carry in plain view any knife or dagger upon any public street or other public place or in any place open to the public.

              (c) The prohibitions of this section shall not apply where a person is wearing or carrying a knife or dagger for use in a lawful occupation, for lawful recreational purposes, or as a recognized religious practice, or while the person is traveling to or returning from participation in such activity.
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                Measuring Length

                Was asked how blade length was measured.

                I didn't know, so asked in the LEO Forum.

                One reply there suggested he used this:
                AKTI Protocol for Measuring Knife Blade Length

                No guarantee that any agency would follow that, but at least it makes sense.
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                  ElDub1950
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                  I'm hitting a mental block on "A NON-LOCKING FOLDING KNIFE, or a closed FOLDING KNIFE".

                  Pretty much every plain old pocket knife I've ever carried has the main blade lock open to prevent it accidentally closing while your using it. And you have to push a button or lever to unlock it to fold it up. Do they literally mean a pocket knife that has a safety latch to prevent it from inadvertently closing on your finger is illegal??

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                    Originally posted by ElDub1950
                    I'm hitting a mental block on "A NON-LOCKING FOLDING KNIFE, or a closed FOLDING KNIFE".

                    Pretty much every plain old pocket knife I've ever carried has the main blade lock open to prevent it accidentally closing while your using it. And you have to push a button or lever to unlock it to fold it up. Do they literally mean a pocket knife that has a safety latch to prevent it from inadvertently closing on your finger is illegal??
                    Yes.

                    Think Swiss Army Knife and similar - non-locking blades.
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                      steelcore
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                      Does carrying in a pants pocket (with pocket clip exposed) mean it is NOT concealed? I want to clarify this from old hearsay from a few years ago.

                      Also... it IS legal to carry a switchblade on your person (perhaps with a pocket clip as mentioned above) if the blade is UNDER 2".... correct?

                      Finally... there seems to be no distinguishing between automatic folding knives and automatic out-the-front knives. Both are the same under the law's definition?
                      Fidelis?.....Semper

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                        Originally posted by steelcore
                        1) Does carrying in a pants pocket (with pocket clip exposed) mean it is NOT concealed? I want to clarify this from old hearsay from a few years ago.

                        2) Also... it IS legal to carry a switchblade on your person (perhaps with a pocket clip as mentioned above) if the blade is UNDER 2".... correct?

                        3) Finally... there seems to be no distinguishing between automatic folding knives and automatic out-the-front knives. Both are the same under the law's definition?
                        1) that's a judgement call on the part of an interested LEO - no legal definition.

                        2) yes. Don't count on every LEO to know that.

                        3) since the context is 'switchblade' I'll assume that is what you mean by "automatic folding knives"; if that's the case, yes, both are kinds of switchblades for CA.
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                          hermosabeach
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                          Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

                          Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)

                          Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

                          Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
                          (thanks to Jeff Cooper)

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                            Originally posted by hermosabeach
                            So the LA County law supersedes all local city laws...

                            So no 3"+ folders in all cities in LA County?
                            No, county law stops at the city limits.

                            But both LA City and LA County have equivalent laws; without looking at the city codes for other cities in LA County, no idea.
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                              Originally posted by DeusExMachina
                              I just ordered the BCM Colonel Lo Viz. w/free trainer. $150
                              So this is no go?
                              http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Colon...lv-pro-blk.htm


                              It's a fixed blade. Don't conceal it. I don't personally believe the finger hole in it turns it into 'metal knuckles' but not being in LE, my belief is not dispositive.

                              ETA: why not the TDI?
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