Shooters Get Your 2000 Yard Rifles Ready!!!!!!

[bsumoba]

So, anyways, I digress, so, bsumoda, what will you get? A 505 Gibbs wildcat, or will you go bigger?

We all know you are going to be getting an ELR rig. The .338 Lapua/.338 Edge are perfect cartridges for intermediate power to fill the gap between the short actions and the very big cartridges.

On the contrary, I can't see myself getting anything bigger just yet. IF I do go with an extreme ELR rig, it would probably be DTA since I can choose from one of these cartridges and its compact. I would find the biggest brake and the softest buttpad as well
.375 CheyTac
.416 Barrett
.408 CheyTac

I'm liking the 408 Cheytac.

Probably go with a S&B, Razor Gen II, NF BEast or ATACR, or a Kahles.

Currently, I am building another F-Open rifle as a backup rifle during big matches and in its main purpose, a mid-range F-Class rifle, shooting the 6 Dasher.

[FromTheGrave]

Hope you fellas will do some video. Sounds amazing!!

[brando]

bsumoba,

You would be a fool to chose a .416B or .408CT over the .375CT. I was an early adopter of the .408CT and while it showed a lot of promise for ELR, it was crushed by the .375 variant. At the time, even Cheytac didn't want to adopt it because they wanted to control the limited supply of .408 bullets out there. Eventually people caught on and were building .375/408 rifles, so by 2009 they decided to take credit for it and it became the .375CT.

Both the .408CT and .416B suffer from a lack of quality bullets.

[bsumoba]

bsumoba,

You would be a fool to chose a .416B or .408CT over the .375CT. I was an early adopter of the .408CT and while it showed a lot of promise for ELR, it was crushed by the .375 variant. At the time, even Cheytac didn't want to adopt it because they wanted to control the limited supply of .408 bullets out there. Eventually people caught on and were building .375/408 rifles, so by 2009 they decided to take credit for it and it became the .375CT.

Both the .408CT and .416B suffer from a lack of quality bullets.

i am very ignorant to the cheytac cartridges. that is really good info to know. i will do more research if i were to build an extreme ELR.

[JMP]

Both the .408CT and .416B suffer from a lack of quality bullets.

Exactly. The 416 Barrett is a strange round. You fill it with MASSIVE amounts of powder, and it uses a #35 primer, which costs 10x more than a regular LRM. With 200gr of powder and a heavy bore-rider in a necked down, shorteded 50 BMG, it seems like it would be the ultimate cartridge. Then, when you shoot it, it's a complete WTF!

I haven't got mine to shoot well at all. In fact, at longer ranges, my regular 338 Lapua performs better. I think it's mainly because they have have crappy bullets. The weird thing is that I can push a BC of 0.880 to about 3,100fps, but the results are poor. That's a higher BC and muzzle velocity than the 338 Lapua. It's a great cartridge if you want to crush things at 1,000 yards, but I still haven't wrapped my head around why they do so poorly at long range. It's not inaccurate, since 1,000 yard hits are quite easy.

Anyway, I haven't really done a lot of testing with it as it didn't seem to warrant going much beyond a few trials. I'd be interested if anyone goes to this match and does well with a 416 Barrett; I'd really like to see what he's doing. Or, if anyone is getting great results with a 416 Barrett, in general, please give me some pointers. For me, it's just a novelty boomer gun.

[brando]

That's the reason the only people shooting .416B these days are guys who couldn't get .50BMG or who think it's superior yet only shoot it at their 300 yard range. It is virtually non-existent in the ELR community. The same goes for .408CT now, whereas back in 2005 it was starting to really take off and outshine .338LM. Now almost everyone is shooting .375CT or are moving to new .375 wildcats as quality bullets more massive than 350gr are starting to come out. The stuff that Dave Viers has been doing with .375VM2 is really impressive also here in New Zealand there's a smith doing a .375 Terminator that's starting to really catch on with the small ELR community. In both cases you're looking at throwing heavier bullets at the same speeds as .375CT which means superior performance.

[JMP]

bsumoba, I run .375 CheyTac. It's an amazing cartridge, but don't expect much from this shooter. I am trying to see if I can make it up there. brando helped me select my ELR rig, and he was right on; the dude knows his ****.

brando, the only reason I have a 416B was to get the boltface and parts for a 50 DTC. I figured I'd give it a dabble. Yeah, I wasted my money on a barrel, but I wanted to try. I have a 50 cal in the process of being spun.

[brando]

Oh I hear ya, though honestly you could have just gotten a stand-alone .50BMG bolt and mags from DTA instead of a full conversion kit. A .50DTC conversion would be really easy to do but that platform is rather punishing for big BMG-based cartridges. The one thing I'll give a .50BMG or variant over a .375CT, even though the later just owns it ballistically, is that it's much easier to spot splash at 2 miles. Doing a shoot in CO years ago, we had three spotters working together to spot impacts on a 3m square target at 3550 yards. Every attempt with our .408s and .375s were nearly impossible to spot splash, yet when the guy with the .50BMG conversion for his Windrunner made the change, the big 750AMAX was much easier to spot. He still never got more than 20m to the target though.

[JMP]

Yes, I could have not gotten the barrel, but I figured I'd give it a try, plus you still need to get the barrel extention which is pricey on the HTIs. Like I said, the 416 Barrett really seems like it should be a kick *** cartridge with all that capacity. I see the guys at the range blasting their Barretts and leaving gigantic dust clowds while aiming at 400 yard gongs, and I figured it would may have some promise in a non-Barrett rifle. It isn't horrible, it was just on the very disappointing side of expectations. Well, sometimes you gotta take one for the team to figure out what's what. But, yeah, I am going 50 DTC, as there's a good selection of bullets and some of those heavy solid bore-riders carry extremely high BCs.