Shooters Get Your 2000 Yard Rifles Ready!!!!!!

[LynnJr]

Shooters
The Facilitator White Mamba and myself will be testing the new target system for our upcoming matches this Thursday.
All cartridges and shooters are welcome but the bigger bullets make it easier to spot the misses.
The 6 Dasher will work at 2000 yards if you have 120 moa in your scope and base combination.
I will include some picture and start to PM those who wrote to me about the matches.
I will post more pictures after Thursdays test session.

[JMP]

The 6 Dasher will work at 2000 yards if you have 120 moa in your scope and base combination.

I can't wait for all that Norma brass 6 Dasher that you were talking about to come in--LOL at the suckers chasing old, low-tech cartridges like the 6.5 shorties. If I like my 6BR, I'll be stepping up to 6 Dasher for my 6mm precision rifle. I have a 31" Heavy Palma blank ready for it. What's your go-to 6mm bullet for 2,000 yards, anything off the shelf, or special custom?

Anyhow, I should have my ELR rig back in a few weeks. I'll need a weekend for some load development with my new barrel. So, if the match ends up being in mid-May, I will most likely be able to join y'all. I don't think I'll be able to hit sheeeiit, but I can make a few loud bangs.

If I can't get my act together in time, I'll hopefully join up for the next shoot, or I'll just get with you to shoot 2k+ on an available weekend, Mr. Junior.

[bsumoba]

I have a 31" Heavy Palma blank ready for it. What's your go-to 6mm bullet for 2,000 yards, anything off the shelf, or special custom?

105 gr hybrids or 105gr VLDs. me personally, I wouldn't want to shoot my future dasher that far.

338 edge for me for this game

2000 yards? How does one aim, let alone spot, a target at over a mile? That just boggles the mind . . . more power to those who can.

Aiming will probably look like a small dot in a high magnification optic. holding over would be incredibly difficult IMO, so a scope that can track well and handle the extreme distance is a must.

Spotting, they will have target cams to help from the sounds of it.

[gsxr310]

Wow!!! And I though 6-800 was far!

[NorCalTodd]

Man, that sounds like a ton of fun. Might have to try that just for giggles.

[JMP]

105 gr hybrids or 105gr VLDs. me personally, I wouldn't want to shoot my future dasher that far.

338 edge for me for this game

I was just kidding about a 6mm to 2,000 yards. I run a 6mm with a .510 G1 at 3,350fps, and it wouldn't have a prayer.

bsumoba, are you going to go and use your 338 Edge? Have you ran it at the ultra long range? I am curious about how it performed. I'd think it would be a little tough as it's gotta be seriously out of juice. If I went 338, I'd go 338 Lapua improved.

[Maltese Falcon]

I am challenged taking my 308 to 1000.

Good luck to y'all!

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[bsumoba]

I was just kidding about a 6mm to 2,000 yards. I run a 6mm with a .510 G1 at 3,350fps, and it wouldn't have a prayer.

bsumoba, are you going to go and use your 338 Edge? Have you ran it at the ultra long range? I am curious about how it performed. I'd think it would be a little tough as it's gotta be seriously out of juice. If I went 338, I'd go 338 Lapua improved.

[JMP]

Major props from me if you can get some solid hits on your first outing. That's a lot of real estate through transonic then subsonic flight. 2k is a tough shot even if you can keep your bullet above Mach 1.2. I don't know if if I'll hit anything with a completely supersonic flight, a lot just depends on the conditions.

I hope I can go, it would be nice to meet some of the Norcal posters like you and LynnJr.

[bsumoba]

Major props from me if you can get some solid hits on your first outing. That's a lot of real estate through transonic then subsonic flight. 2k is a tough shot even if you can keep your bullet above Mach 1.2. I don't know if if I'll hit anything with a completely supersonic flight, a lot just depends on the conditions.

I hope I can go, it would be nice to meet some of the Norcal posters like you and LynnJr.

From what I hear, the OTM 300gr bullet does very well into the transonic zone. It would be nice to test that out and see if we get any keyholing, assuming there is a good impact on the target.

I am using H1000 for my powder and I heard many guys can get much faster velocities with RE33. My 300 RUM remington branded brass is precious though and I would hate to start losing them to loose primer pockets. I am hoping to get 5-7 firings from each. I hear when you push the norma/nosler stuff, the primer pockets are soft and 2-4 firings is more the norm That's expensive stuff too!

[707electrician]

It's like to come just to watch. I'll bring my service rifle :-P

[JMP]

From what I hear, the OTM 300gr bullet does very well into the transonic zone. It would be nice to test that out and see if we get any keyholing, assuming there is a good impact on the target.

I am using H1000 for my powder and I heard many guys can get much faster velocities with RE33. My 300 RUM remington branded brass is precious though and I would hate to start losing them to loose primer pockets. I am hoping to get 5-7 firings from each. I hear when you push the norma/nosler stuff, the primer pockets are soft and 2-4 firings is more the norm That's expensive stuff too!

I am sure it will do well in the transonic zone as most .338 bullets actually do. That's why the .338 Lapua, which is similar, CAN be shot to long ranges (1,500 to 2,000+). Really, though, the effective range where your accuracy is good is around 1,500-1,600 yards. After that it gets exponentially more challenging as you go out if you are going for small targets.

3,000fps with a G1 BC of 0.8 is the magic number for 338 projectiles. That's why for 338, the 338 Lapua Improved, 338 SnipeTac, and 338 Norma Improved would be my choices. It will be interesting to see the results of LynnJr's 338 Norma Improved. I have not seen one of those cartridges perform, but I suspect it'll be a good choice.

I've had success shooting my regular 338 Lapua to 2,000 yards, but that I have only been able to do with high BC monolithic bore-riders that I can get to around 3,000fps. Even so, I do not think a 338 Lapua or Edge is adequate to shoot accurately at these distances. You can make hits, but it's hard, very hard if you aren't used to feel of the bullet in the transonic region, which will be about 400 yards for you . Those will all be EXCELLENT shots on the 0.5 Mil target.

As for powder, you may also want to try Retumbo. It's similar to H1000, but I've always gotten better velocities with Retumbo.

[bsumoba]

^ I agree. Up to a mile is a perfect range for the 338 Lapua and Edge.

If I were truly building a LR rifle out past a mile, the Cheytac type cartridges seem like a good choice.

Having said that, I rarely get past 1000 yards, so the 338 Edge for those times I do will suffice. My 338 Edge is a switchbarrel setup with my F-Open setup. Just swap the barrel and stock, and will ultimately have to either put a 40MOA base or simply get another scope since the scope I use for F-Open does not have enough elevation with its current 20 MOA base.

[brando]

Agreed, going beyond a mile with .338LM gets very tricky. I've made a hit on IPSC-sized steel at 2300 yards, but I bracketed the target with a dozen rounds in doing so. That same target at 1760 yards took only a couple shots to hit.

You can squeeze a bit more performance out of a .338LM by going with an improved chamber and long barrel. I'm currently pushing 300gr bullets to 3150fps out of a 36" barrel, which gives me roughly .408CT ballistics. However, beyond 2km the smart choice is .375CT. The ballistics are far superior to just about anything else out there at this time.

[JMP]

bsumoba, I know your style. You are always settled on your rifle until you get a new one. It really seems that you have an itch to get something in your quiver for every situation.

For the scope, a good economical mount is the AI 5656. With 45 MOA of cant, it was built for the 34mm tubes like the Schmidt 5-25x56 PMII. This puts you in the range where you get the full 26 mil from the scope. For practical purposes, most of the time it isn't necessary to have more than the 26 mil in a 34mm scope. Once you need more than 20 mil of elevation, a rule of thumb that I have noticed is that it becomes quite difficult to make shots once you have more than 20 mil of drop.

I don't like the crazy high 300 MOA type bases because they force you to zero at very long distances. I like to keep a close zero and just dial up. The 34mm scopes like the Schmidts come with a very nice 26 mil adjustment range. The nice thing about these is that they have a very well-built erector system that provides the 26 mil that is completely reliable.

I am very skeptical of scopes that can get more than 26 mil of adjustment in a 34mm scope. Some of the cheap scopes do not have a good erector system and basically achieve more elevation without a larger tube by allowing the scope to run all the way up and down the erector assembly and it's not nearly as good as the 26 mil scopes.

If you want massive internal adjustment, Hensoldt is the only scope I have seen it done correctly and they needed to go to a 36mm tube. It does have amazing elevation range since the effective range is much larger as you do not need an exact cant to zero the rifle at, say, 100 yards and to be able to realize the full 36mil double turn. It'll zero and give you complete travel range with a wide variety of cants. I know that the scope can hold a 100 yard zero with a 90 MOA base, which is extraordinary effective range. They gave themselves extra room with the 36mm tube to house a large erector system that is solid and reliable

So, anyways, I digress, so, bsumoda, what will you get? A 505 Gibbs wildcat, or will you go bigger?

We all know you are going to be getting an ELR rig. The .338 Lapua/.338 Edge are perfect cartridges for intermediate power to fill the gap between the short actions and the very big cartridges.

I am sure that there will be some pretty remarkable wildcat cartridges that show up to this event.