MILL Value

[Tripper]

I know a guy wanting to get rid of
His 'old haas mill' that's all I know about it
What do I need to ask to determine value, or even if I can even do 80s with it
Do they have model numbers, etc...


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[madjack956]

Ask if its a manual mill or cnc.

Maybe a model number so you can do some research.

[Junkie]

You can complete lowers on pretty much any mill.

Old and home shop means it's probably manual.

It largely depends on condition and what's included. Tooling? DROs?

[Tripper]

It's from a fabrication shop
He said he wants to get a new one
I'll inquire as to model
I'm pretty sure it's CNC
The ad on the side of his truck said CNC milling serviced


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[kcstott]

Haas never made a manual machine that I know of.

you need to know the model, i.e. VF-2, VF-4. XYZ axis travels, HP, max spindle speed, Geared head or belt, how much memory on the control? How many hours on the machine? how many slots in the tool carousel? How much tooling comes with it? Is it a Cat 30, 40, or 50? Any pallet changers? vises? 4 axis? etc.
and service history

And I take you are interested in getting it do do 80's?? correct??

Walk away son unless you want to go into production. The smallest Haas machine will take up every bit of a one car garage the normal sized machines will barrel fit in a two car garage and thats not including head room either.

On a VF2 the head would have to be removed and reinstalled once in the garage to clear the door opening. these machines are designed to roll through a 14 ft wide door that goes up at least 12 ft.

As for value a stripped VF2 in decent condition will set you back $30,000 new they go for $80,000 and up.

[bollero]

last year i saw a VF-4 on CL for 4K I wish i was loaded back then i would of gotten it.. plus rigging around 2K to move it to your house. and depends on distance also

[milotrain]

The cost of running a HAAS is exorbitant (or any true CNC mill). You'll have the cost of four lowers tied up in Endmill Holders alone, just to do an 80%.

[bridgeport]

After glancing at this thread I clicked on the Haas webpage and found these mini CNC's. Check out the price tag on these puppies.

http://www.haascnc.com/mt_spec1.asp?id=MINIMILL&webID=MINI_MILL_VMC#gsc.tab=0

This is news to me, as the only Haas machines I have ever seen are the normal size units.

Very cool mini mills though.

[kcstott]

After glancing at this thread I clicked on the Haas webpage and found these mini CNC's. Check out the price tag on these puppies.

http://www.haascnc.com/mt_spec1.asp?id=MINIMILL&webID=MINI_MILL_VMC#gsc.tab=0

This is news to me.

Yeah the've had those for years great little machines but not really a good machine for doing larger parts. not a lot of rtable space.

These thing are more for small prototypes and edm electrodes

[Tripper]

Hmm, sounds like it may not be such a good idea
Unless of course he just wants it gone
Which even then sounds like it will cost me a garage


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[yari]

A vf4 for 4k? Ya I'm pretty sure it was a pos. Needing a full rebuild. Or in the ad it said vf4 spindle. A rebuilt spinde goes for about that price. The problem with cncs is the people that own them know what they cost and what they're worth. A small production sized machine isn't going to fit in an average garage. Also getting 230 3 phase power is going to be an issue. Then there's the whole programming of the machine, understanding how to set it up etc. I would just look for a Bridgeport style mill.

[kcstott]

Yeah i love how people think you can just set it up an go like it was an HP printer or something.

You need to buy it
You need to move it and they range from the lightest at around 4000 lbs to well over 12,000 lbs
you need assemble it
you need to set it up and level it
you need to refill all fluid levels and insure all pumps and coolers are working
then you need to clean it Used machines are usually filthy
you need to learn how to navigate the control, HAAS is actually one of the better controls to use from what i hear I'm a fanuc based guy so I don't know.
then you need to learn how to write G code
then you need to learn how to program
then if you're smart you'll get Master cam or something like it to write your tool paths for you.
then you need to break some tools Yep I said break tools. No one learns how to run a CNC with out breaking a few tools
then you need to learn why they broke and don't do it again.
and then you're off bobs your uncle you'll be making two or three 80%ers an hour. Good luck with that.

Oh and anything bigger then HAAS's tool room mill will not fit in a two car garage with a normal roof height. These things need 12' minimum

stick with a Bridgeport, Lagun XLO, Tree, Gorton, Sharp, Webb, Rockwell, ENCO, JET, acumill etc.

[bollero]

Just buy the Big mill and learn .. I'm getting all the CNC parts for my G0704 mill this week .can't wait to upgrade it and do some cutting.

[bksa]

Just buy the Big mill and learn .. I'm getting all the CNC parts for my G0704 mill this week .can't wait to upgrade it and do some cutting.

you can not make any meaningful comparison between your tiny mini mill vs a vf4..

do the learning on a small mill if you want to learn. It'll take you countless hours to get a mini mill setup correctly, and that is magnified when it do it with a vf4.

[Tripper]

It's not plug and play



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