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  • #16
    Ford8N
    Banned
    • Sep 2002
    • 6129

    Originally posted by ar15barrels
    Oh, I ground mine the first time I ran into that so that it fits next to the hammer spacer now.
    I didn't realize that everyone else didn't just do that too...
    Same here.

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    • #17
      ar15barrels
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jan 2006
      • 57168

      Originally posted by tujungatoes
      I've cut several out of flat stock, but I am forever misplacing them. Plus at build parties we were frequently using other peoples tools and I sure as sh*t ain't taking a grinder to any part of it. Eventually I think we just developed the habit of doing the TG first to streamline the process.
      I totally get why you do it in that order at a build party and it makes perfect sense when you are only spot heat treating.
      My process is different because I am doing full heat treating.
      I can't have rivets in place when I heat treat.
      Randall Rausch

      AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
      Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
      Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
      Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
      Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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      • #18
        SJgunguy24
        I need a LIFE!!
        • May 2008
        • 14849

        Originally posted by ar15barrels
        Oh, I ground mine the first time I ran into that so that it fits next to the hammer spacer now.
        I didn't realize that everyone else didn't just do that too...
        I have 3 of those plates that I milled or ground to slide in under the rails, plus a couple that will fit yugo/rpk receivers.

        Originally posted by tujungatoes
        I've cut several out of flat stock, but I am forever misplacing them. Plus at build parties we were frequently using other peoples tools and I sure as sh*t ain't taking a grinder to any part of it. Eventually I think we just developed the habit of doing the TG first to streamline the process.
        I ordered up 6 foot of McMaster part number 8892k38. It's the same stuff Curtis sends you to press the trigger guard rivets. I made several of those plates and so they will fit just about any type of receiver and still have some left over to make a custom plate if needed, also this material is already hardend. It'll take dozens of builds before you start to see any deformation in the plate.
        There are 3 kinds of people in this world.
        The wise, learn from the mistakes of others.
        The smart, learn from their own mistakes.
        The others, well......they just never learn.

        "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, Give Me Liberty, Or Give Me Death!"
        Patrick Henry.

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        • #19
          shortround13
          Member
          • Feb 2013
          • 253

          Originally posted by SJgunguy24
          I have 3 of those plates that I milled or ground to slide in under the rails, plus a couple that will fit yugo/rpk receivers.



          I ordered up 6 foot of McMaster part number 8892k38. It's the same stuff Curtis sends you to press the trigger guard rivets. I made several of those plates and so they will fit just about any type of receiver and still have some left over to make a custom plate if needed, also this material is already hardend. It'll take dozens of builds before you start to see any deformation in the plate.
          can you make me a couple for 1 and 1.5mm receivers? I'm in the s.bay too...can drop ya off some beer and a few bucks

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          • #20
            NOTABIKER
            Calguns Addict
            • Mar 2012
            • 7635

            heat treat

            can you tell by looking at the metal if it has been heat treated. I am no machinist but i know about most things mechanical. i am concerned i have a receiver that was not heat treated ?. should the ejector tip and trigger & hammer pin holes show signs of metal bluing. THANKS

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            • #21
              ar15barrels
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jan 2006
              • 57168

              AK build sequence

              Originally posted by NOTABIKER
              can you tell by looking at the metal if it has been heat treated. I am no machinist but i know about most things mechanical. i am concerned i have a receiver that was not heat treated ?. should the ejector tip and trigger & hammer pin holes show signs of metal bluing. THANKS

              There will be a distinct color change in raw metal when it has been heated up.

              Look at these spot welds:



              There are distinct bands of color that show what temperature the metal reached.
              Randall Rausch

              AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
              Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
              Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
              Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
              Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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              • #22
                tujungatoes
                Calguns Addict
                • Dec 2006
                • 7942

                Originally posted by NOTABIKER
                can you tell by looking at the metal if it has been heat treated. I am no machinist but i know about most things mechanical. i am concerned i have a receiver that was not heat treated ?. should the ejector tip and trigger & hammer pin holes show signs of metal bluing. THANKS
                It depends. What kind of receiver do you have? We can probably tell you based on who made it.

                If it's been blasted after heating it will remove the color of the oxide layer Randall told you about. An easy way to check hardness is to run a file across your ejector tip. If it's been heat treated the file will skate across the hard metal and probably make a horrible screeching sound while removing almost zero material.
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                • #23
                  NOTABIKER
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Mar 2012
                  • 7635

                  My worry is the hole on the left side for the hammer pin is not round. and on the right side the safety lever is really gouging the sheet metal. i do not have all the history on the AK build. suposidly it was unfired before i got it. It is possible that the hole on the left was not drilled properly and somebody played with the safety a lot with no lubrication . i know a pix would help but i think it has a coat of BBQ paint on the receiver. i guess i should strip the paint on the receiver and see what i have. If i cannot verify the heat treat can i spot heat treat the ejector tip, hammer and trigger pin holes and maybe the safety hole again.
                  thank you.

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                  • #24
                    Squirly
                    Senior Member
                    • Jun 2013
                    • 674

                    Did anyone mention vodka? Or bourbon? I missed that if so
                    CA/TX

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                    • #25
                      kcstott
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Nov 2011
                      • 11796

                      Originally posted by Squirly
                      Did anyone mention vodka? Or bourbon? I missed that if so
                      Ok since Squirly pointed out that no one added a very crucial step here is my revised build order based on build party experience

                      Originally posted by kcstott
                      Unload truck find safe place for coolers of beer and limes and ice and salt and tajin spice.

                      Get stuff set up while Enthusiast makes Michiladas
                      proceed to drink said Michilada adding to the bear you had for breakfast before you left the hotel

                      now for that sake of ease of reading I'm just going to make it one word additions to the list plus a multiplier. Now beer may mean a Michilada, or a very nice home brew that toes brought and about put everyone that tried one on the floor at 9.what ever it was percent alcohol

                      Demill kit
                      Beer X2
                      Clean everything
                      Beer X2
                      populate and headspace barrel
                      Beer
                      bend flat
                      Beer
                      rivet trigger guard
                      hold your self up while riveting
                      beer
                      weld rails
                      to drunk let someone else help with the welding RANDALLLLL!!!!!!!!!
                      drill and ream axis pin holes
                      still to drunk
                      drill center support
                      Ok Beer
                      install center support
                      Beer
                      rivet front trunnion
                      Pulled pork, Brisket, and beer
                      rivet rear trunnion
                      Beer x2
                      fit mag and cut down mag stabilizers
                      beer
                      fit bolt, trim ejector
                      beer
                      heat treat
                      Beer
                      press barrel back in and pin
                      Beer
                      verify headspace
                      Why do i have two gages in my hand ????? Oh yeah go and no go yeah that s right
                      Beer
                      blast
                      Beer
                      park
                      Go talk to that guy. Yeah him that Mad river arms he'll help you. Man I'm screwed up
                      oil treatment
                      Johnny walker Blue shot Thank you Mr.Lonewolf
                      assemble
                      Beer
                      enjoy
                      Beer
                      drive home stop for gas get more beer

                      obviously for folding stocks pin open
                      and if required install mag lock
                      and if it's a side folder install the catch and spring after a lesson in frustration for at least an hour
                      And if you think that is far fetched. well there were to many witnesses that will say other wise. this is a very accurate account
                      Last edited by kcstott; 03-02-2014, 7:35 AM.

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