1911 80%

[bob_e95482]

A friend just gave me a couple of these. He bought them so long ago he can't remember where he bought them or much of anything else. He said he thinks they are MIM. If I do them both I get to keep one.

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I want to buy the tooling from KT Ordnance.

[yari]

Those are way more than 80%, nice score.

[the big ravioli]

Great deal for sure!!

[ke6guj]

Those are way more than 80%, nice score.

they used to be able to do more drilling and still be "80%" back in the day. all you had to do is cut the rails and that was it.

[SMR510]

You cant finish both and give him one back, he has to do it himself or else you manufactured it without a license.

Those are way over 80%, I would argue that receiving them from him was also illegal.

[emsalex]

You cant finish both and give him one back, he has to do it himself or else you manufactured it without a license.

Those are way over 80%, I would argue that receiving them from him was also illegal.

If it's not an 80%. then its a firearm, right? So he would not be manufacturing. And you can lend a firearm right?

I would argue you can't have it both ways, either it's not a firearm and he can't finish for anyone else but himself, or it's a gun his friend loaned to him legally.

[ke6guj]

You cant finish both and give him one back, he has to do it himself or else you manufactured it without a license.

true

Those are way over 80%, I would argue that receiving them from him was also illegal.

I don't know about that. in the past, when ATF has changed their mind on the amount of completion allowed, they have allowed the vendor to sell off the inventory without it being considered a firearm. That is why you still see old school AR 80%'ers out there that have the FCG pocket cut already, or new school versions that have the safety selector hole already drilled out.

[jfifer]

Thats so cool!
Disregard this guy ^
My first "80" only needed the fire control group. Different times different regulations. Up to the accuser to prove otherwise. Although he does have to be present to have the milling done. After tramming/indicating, it is a QUICK job!!! You are very lucky. If you decide to sell let me know

[jfifer]

Disregard emsalex ^ we posted at same time

[emsalex]

Disregard what? So it was illegal for his friend to give it to him?

I was just asking SMR510 questions to see how it would both illegal to receive them and illegal to finish them for his friend. I was just Curious because makes it sound like both a paper weight and a firearm.

I wasn't try to say that they are firearms in there current state and the OP was safe to continue. But my post was worded kinda goofy...

[bob_e95482]

I thought as a handgun 80% in Ca., it would have to be registered, so it wouldn't matter who finished it.
BTW, the ejector and disconnect holes on the top need drilled. The top must be flycut, and the rail width must thinned.

[ke6guj]

I thought as a handgun 80% in Ca., it would have to be registered,

that would be incorrect. there is no requirement in CA nor federal law that you register a homebuilt firearm that isn't NFA or an AW.

so it wouldn't matter who finished it.

nope. at this point whoever finishes it is considered the manufacturer. if you manufacture a firearm, the feds say that you must mark it with your name, city, state, and serial number when you transfer it to someone else. And if you aren't licensed as a manufacturer, then you can't manufacture a firearm with the INTENT to transfer it someone else, which you are planning on doing in this case.


And CA law says that basically all firearms transfer must be facilitated through a CA dealer. So, you'd have to take the frame tht you finished and engrave your name, city, state,serial and take it to a gun shop to have it transfered to your friend.


80%'s are supposed to be finished by the owner. your friend needs to finish his own 80% 1911 and not have you do it for him.

[SMR510]

I don't know about that. in the past, when ATF has changed their mind on the amount of completion allowed, they have allowed the vendor to sell off the inventory without it being considered a firearm. That is why you still see old school AR 80%'ers out there that have the FCG pocket cut already, or new school versions that have the safety selector hole already drilled out.

I can agree with that, I know they have slowly tightened up the laws and now just about all those holes are not allowed to be on there.

[Kruzr]

FWIW, nobody makes a frame using the MIM process. It wouldn't be economical. They are most likely cast.

[slo5oh]

OP, ask your friend if Tannery Arms or William Selling ring a bell.
Edit- never mind op, those are not tannery 80%.