Saiga 12 question

[Powerkraut]

My google-fu is weak, I'm curious as to what parts are cross compatible between a saiga 12 and an AKM. Rear trunion is what I'm most concerned about, but it'd be nice to be able to put some old russian laminate on one too.

[dat1callidude]

Check out Carolina shooters they have all your parts

[Powerkraut]

Well, I'd like to be able to put an underfolder on one, hence the rear trunion question.

[SJgunguy24]

What state are you located in?
Folding stocks on Semi auto shotguns (pistol gripped saiga 12's to be specific) are an AW per CA state law. It can be done with some work. Basically any stock that goes on an AKM, will go into a Saiga 12. The trunnion needs to be shaved down, the receiver welded up, and you'll need to use the top cover to set the distance. It's not that hard if you know what your doing.
Yes i've done work like this before, yes I know what i'm talking about. I've done more than 100 saiga 12 custom builds and conversions.

[Powerkraut]

In CA for the next few months, a tax stamp is the first thing I'm getting when I leave and an SBS Saiga 12 with an underfolder and wood sounds pretty sexy. Just looking into the feasability of it at the moment. Ideally I'd also like a gas block/FSB combo like a Pap.

Edit: Basically I want a Saiga 12 that looks like a Draco with an underfolder on it, front/rear sights and all.

[lelandEOD]

Buy one of the Legion IZ-433's and pick up a Polish Underfolder trunnion and stock assembly off Gunbroker.

You should be able to adapt the UF stock to the S-12... bolt carrier clearance may be an issue but I know I've seen UF S-12's before. I don't think it'll be very comfortable to shoot, but it will be original...

[Powerkraut]

Yup, that looks just about right. Gonna have to lose the railed top cover and plastif furniture though.

[lelandEOD]

The railed top cover is not easily removable, FYI. Also, because of the barrel's larger diameter, you'll have to modify standard AK wooden furniture to fit on the S-12.

[Powerkraut]

The railed top cover is not easily removable, FYI. Also, because of the barrel's larger diameter, you'll have to modify standard AK wooden furniture to fit on the S-12.

Yeah, fitting the lower handguard doesn't seem like a huge issue, I'm more worried about the upper, gas tube, and RSB, hence the cross compatability question. If all I need to do for the upper handguard is file it a bit and twist it on though then I'll be happy.

[SJgunguy24]

Just picked both up last week but haven't had a chance to shoot either yet. Very soon though.

AK build is mostly Dinzag parts. Brake is permanently attached for 18.1" length. Standard AK furniture and sights. Both guns are beautiful. Fit and finish are extremely well done.

In CA for the next few months, a tax stamp is the first thing I'm getting when I leave and an SBS Saiga 12 with an underfolder and wood sounds pretty sexy. Just looking into the feasability of it at the moment. Ideally I'd also like a gas block/FSB combo like a Pap.

Edit: Basically I want a Saiga 12 that looks like a Draco with an underfolder on it, front/rear sights and all.

I did a wood conversion on a Saiga 12, pics above. Not sure if the underfolder will work, the reciever is thicker but it's worth a try. Bonus is, you can do all the work in CA and install the stock when you move. A Saiga 12 is long enough to meet the state minimum of 26" with no stock attached.

[Powerkraut]

I did a wood conversion on a Saiga 12, pics above. Not sure if the underfolder will work, the reciever is thicker but it's worth a try. Bonus is, you can do all the work in CA and install the stock when you move. A Saiga 12 is long enough to meet the state minimum of 26" with no stock attached.

Very nice looking, do you have some info on parts and process? I looked at the early dinzag gas tube/RSB combo and it seems a little out of my scope (no welding experience). My understanding is that he has a new one now, any idea on how it fits? His website wasn't very clear and all the relevant threads I could find were with his early conversion.

Basically I want to end up with something I'd just have to cut the barrel down (after tax stamp ofc) to look like this:

[wash]

Saiga12 SBS is a little more involved than you think.

I think Tromix and Cadiz Gun Works are the go-to shops.

They cut off the barrel behind the original gas ports, reprofile (maybe) to move the gas block back and then drill new gas ports.

Long story short, to make what you think you are going to get, everything would be custom and that is expensive.

[Powerkraut]

The more I could do myself the better since the would be more of a time killer for me. I hadn't really though about gas system, but it seems like drilling a larger port would fix any loss in dwell time. The short barrel part is something I could wait on, I'm more worried about wood and UF and having front/rear sight blocks set up in such a way that I could shorten the barrel down a bit.

More pics, add wood and UF and I'd be fine with this for the time being:



Outside of possibly being undergassed, I don't see why I couldn't lop 6" or so off that barrel.

[wash]

Well that is exactly it, 19" Saiga12s often need bigger gas ports to cycle properly and they start with I think three gas ports of about 1/8".

Cut off 6" and it won't run.

[Powerkraut]

Well that is exactly it, 19" Saiga12s often need bigger gas ports to cycle properly and they start with I think three gas ports of about 1/8".

Cut off 6" and it won't run.

Yeah, finally found the SBS conversion FAQ on saiga-12.com and it's looking to be pretty damn expensive and work I couldn't do which really defeats the whole purpose.