Homebuilt AK (and other firearms) - Serial Numbers and other issues

[Darryl Licht]

First off, I have been considering building an AR from an 80% lower for about a year now. I am new to all this "Build a Bear" stuff, so please no flaming!

Since this is the thread for home builds, If I build an AR or AK must I add a bullet button to it to be legal in Cali?

Any other suggestions besides engraving a SN and manufacturing location, etc?

[boromokot]

First off, I have been considering building an AR from an 80% lower for about a year now. I am new to all this "Build a Bear" stuff, so please no flaming!

Since this is the thread for home builds, If I build an AR or AK must I add a bullet button to it to be legal in Cali?

Any other suggestions besides engraving a SN and manufacturing location, etc?

yes, current law states that you'll either have to add a bullet button or build in a featureless configuration(no pistol grip, flash hider, vertical foregrip or collapsible/folding stock) to keep the firearm California legal. Print out and double check the flowchart to be sure your rifle is compliant.

[rust&rain]

If you are curious as to what is/isn't legal here in Cali google 922R...It will tell you everything you need to know.

[SacAKBuilder]

If you are curious as to what is/isn't legal here in Cali google 922R...It will tell you everything you need to know.

Seriously...and why does every thread seem to gravitate back to the "Law"?

Its pretty cut and dry. Theres enough FUD kicking around which leads to ridiculous things like welding suppressors and locking folding stocks in place.

I dare someone to find ONE instance of an AK builder(or even just a regular knuckle-dragging owner) getting busted for either of those.

And while you're googling, find proof that not heat treating a home bent flat leads to egged axis pin holes.

Go.

[Alex$]

Seriously...and why does every thread seem to gravitate back to the "Law"?

Its pretty cut and dry. Theres enough FUD kicking around which leads to ridiculous things like welding suppressors and locking folding stocks in place.

I dare someone to find ONE instance of an AK builder(or even just a regular knuckle-dragging owner) getting busted for either of those.

And while you're googling, find proof that not spot welding a home bent flat leads to egged axis pin holes.

Go.

Owning a rifle in an illegal configuration is just asking for trouble.

(this is starting to sound like a theme with you, "Forget the law, do what you want.", perhaps this had something to do with getting banned on another forum?)

[BOATS N HOES]

Read this thread through
Read a few other threads through
Did a lot of googling

Just want to make sure before I send this thing off to be engraved -

Make- can be anything I want
Model- not needed
Serial- can be anything I want as long as I don't duplicate one for another home build
Location - NEEDS TO BE ACCURATE (right??)
Caliber- MULTI is ok

Going to add a QR that reads my real name and last four of social with made in USA 2013... Seem ok?


Am i understanding everything correctly here?

Thanks in advance

[BOATS N HOES]

PS - never plan to sell

[VaderSpade]

I'm not sure if anyone knows just what (at a minimum) you will need if registration comes about, but you would be safe with, Name (yours and a reconcilable abbreviation), city & state, Model, Caliber, and serial number.

Read this thread through
Read a few other threads through
Did a lot of googling

Just want to make sure before I send this thing off to be engraved -

Make- can be anything I want
Model- not needed
Serial- can be anything I want as long as I don't duplicate one for another home build
Location - NEEDS TO BE ACCURATE (right??)
Caliber- MULTI is ok

Going to add a QR that reads my real name and last four of social with made in USA 2013... Seem ok?


Am i understanding everything correctly here?

Thanks in advance

[BOATS N HOES]

But as of now does all this seem ok?

[VaderSpade]

As of now it's fine but why not add a model?

[BOATS N HOES]

Eh I dunno
If it's not needed why put some nonsense just to fill space?

Too bad the location has be accurate and can't be a fictional location.

[bplvr]

When u set your gun down at the range I'll pick it up and walk off with it.

Try to prove it is yours.

It's now MINE !

[thedonger]

When u set your gun down at the range I'll pick it up and walk off with it.

Try to prove it is yours.

It's now MINE !

Same way you prove any long gun is yours.

[SacAKBuilder]

Owning a rifle in an illegal configuration is just asking for trouble.

(this is starting to sound like a theme with you, "Forget the law, do what you want.", perhaps this had something to do with getting banned on another forum?)

Perhaps anyone who's too afraid to arm themselves because of ridiculous laws should be banned from real life.

[CSACANNONEER]

First off, I have been considering building an AR from an 80% lower for about a year now. I am new to all this "Build a Bear" stuff, so please no flaming!

Since this is the thread for home builds, If I build an AR or AK must I add a bullet button to it to be legal in Cali?

Any other suggestions besides engraving a SN and manufacturing location, etc?

Of course it doesn't need a bullet button or any type of mag lock IF you build it into a featureless semi auto centerfire rifle or shotgun or, if you build it into a non semi auto anything or, if you build it into a semi auto rimfire rifle. But, if it's a semi auto handgun or a semi auto centerfire long gun with evil features, it will require a magazine lock.

Seriously...and why does every thread seem to gravitate back to the "Law"?

Its pretty cut and dry. Theres enough FUD kicking around which leads to ridiculous things like welding suppressors and locking folding stocks in place.

I dare someone to find ONE instance of an AK builder(or even just a regular knuckle-dragging owner) getting busted for either of those.

And while you're googling, find proof that not heat treating a home bent flat leads to egged axis pin holes.

Go.

Well you got banned quick and obviously for good reason. The law is the law and we law abiding gun owners don't like morons who make us look bad. BTW, there are plenty of people who have been been busted for CA AW violations. Get a clue. Oh yea, not heat treating axis holes can cause the holes to egg over time. But, what do I know? I've had somewhere between 500 and 750 homebuilt AKs manufactured at my home so, I'm sure you have more experience than I do.

When u set your gun down at the range I'll pick it up and walk off with it.

Try to prove it is yours.

It's now MINE !

While I may not mark my homebuilds with SNs or other common identifying markings, I do put discrete manufacturer marking on them. So, I can easily go into a court room and instruct the judge on exactly where to look for what on them. It would be obvious that no one but the one who put the marks there would even realize that they existed. So, wanna try claiming one of my "unmarked" firearms at a range?