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  • Bug Splat
    Calguns Addict
    • Dec 2007
    • 6561

    hammer main spring to hammer weight formula?

    I've been tricking out CZ97b to just smash any 1911 I come across. It already can but I want to destroy anyone who steps in the lane next to me

    I have completely reworked the trigger, hammer, sear and all the part in between making it a SAO. The firing pin block is history too. The trigger is just superb now with zero creep and a very short reset Replaced the recoil spring some time ago to 16# which helps it cycle smoothly and I just ordered a new stock firing pin spring and a 13# hammer spring which I think now might be too light for the CCI primers I load.

    My question is if I lower the spring pounds how much weight do I need to add to the hammer to equal the same force on the primer? There is a nice round hole in the hammer that is just calling for brass insert.
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    Bug Splat
    Calguns Addict
    • Dec 2007
    • 6561

    Well, I installed the new springs and worked on the hammer and sear. Trigger is breaking at a nice 2.5#. Loaded up some brass with just primers and tested it. Good news is the primers did go off but just barely. I'm kinda surprised because the dimple is tiny. More weight is surely needed in the hammer. Now how much?

    Had any idea of of plugging one side of the hammer hole and pour melted solider inside. It would harden and leave a perfect fitting plug. Has anyone tried this?

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    • #3
      Steelplate45
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 733

      No, we only use Glocks and

      1911's.
      Currently: Still shooting plates and skiing Black Diamonds. NRA Instructor.
      Formerly: USMC '68-'72 - Platoon Honorman, Platoon High Rifle, Range High Rifle. F4 Phantom Flight Simulator Instructor. IPDA Match Director, IPDA SO, NRA Instructor.

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      • #4
        kcstott
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Nov 2011
        • 11796

        To heavy a hammer will increase your lock time. Slightly but it will increase

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        • #5
          GSwain
          Member
          • Mar 2011
          • 480

          I don't have any experience with CZ's, but that is a nice looking pistol. You stated there is a hole in the hammer that you could put a brass weight in, so I am assuming that is your plan. Why not get a few different sized pieces of lead shot, and try different weights with some electrical tape to hold the piece of shot in the hammer hole for added weight? That way you can figure out what will work best for the function you want.

          Other than that, the only thing I can figure is you can do a calculation for primer strike force required based on existing measurements of something else, for example a 1911 hammer/spring assembly. I know it would be possible to figure out exactly what spring weight or hammer weight would be needed, but frankly, my math isnt that good :P

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          • #6
            ojisan
            Agent 86
            CGN Contributor
            • Apr 2008
            • 11758

            Often overlooked in discussions of springs is preload...the distance that the spring is compressed when it is in its installed position.
            Reducing preload is an easy way to get a lighter trigger pull, even with the exact same spring rate.
            However, not enough preload will cause soggy and slow hammer and / or trigger return action.
            Springs are actually complex little guys...overall length, installed / preloaded length and stiffness rate are all interrelated.
            Example: you can shorten a spring to reduce its preload length, but the shorter the spring (the less coils for the same material diameter) the stiffer it gets.

            Originally posted by Citadelgrad87
            I don't really care, I just like to argue.

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            • #7
              wash
              Calguns Addict
              • Aug 2007
              • 9011

              Kinetic energy is 1/2 m(v^2) and increasing the mass of your hammer will decrease it's speed which means that lighter might actually be better if you want to keep that mainspring.

              It's the same idea as an AR15 speed hammer, you use a light hammer spring but cut the tail off of your hammer to make up for it.
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              Originally posted by oaklander
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              • #8
                Bug Splat
                Calguns Addict
                • Dec 2007
                • 6561

                I'm not sure going lighter is the right call. Seems that everyone who is using a lighter mainspring compensates by adding more weight to the hammer.

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                • #9
                  wash
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 9011

                  Well plug the hammer with a brass weight and see what happens.

                  If the primer strikes are lighter, you've gone the wrong way.
                  sigpic
                  Originally posted by oaklander
                  Dear Kevin,

                  You suck!!! Your are wrong!!! Stop it!!!
                  Proud CGF and CGN donor. SAF life member. Former CRPA member. Gpal beta tester (it didn't work). NRA member.

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