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  • #16
    eric1911
    Member
    • May 2019
    • 151

    Originally posted by ar15barrels
    Yes, but you want soft solder as it's more like 500-600 degree working range than actual silver solder that has a 1200-1300 degree working range.
    Why the actual silver solder is not preferred?
    I think 1200-1300 is still less heat compared to micro or laser welding.

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    • #17
      hermosabeach
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Feb 2009
      • 19708

      If cosmetic- move one

      Clean
      Prep re finish.


      I don’t understand the desire for a bondo job on a barrel.

      Wear on a firearm is character to me. It’s like seeing a Gen 2 Glock and the sides are almost polished from 45,000 draw strokes out of the holster.

      Would it be better to sand down the dent if you don’t want to have them welded?

      Is it worth heating the barrel to 1,000 and then adding solder?

      Is the barrel easily removed? Do you need paste or heat sinks to not cook the action while hearing the barrel?
      Can you post a picture of what you are trying to fix?
      Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

      Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)

      Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

      Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
      (thanks to Jeff Cooper)

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      • #18
        hermosabeach
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Feb 2009
        • 19708

        Skip ahead to 2:28 to see how this gent attaches a band

        Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

        Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)

        Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

        Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
        (thanks to Jeff Cooper)

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        • #19
          ar15barrels
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jan 2006
          • 57170

          Originally posted by eric1911
          Why the actual silver solder is not preferred?
          I think 1200-1300 is still less heat compared to micro or laser welding.
          Because you will heat soak a good portion of the part to 1200+ to get good adhesion of the hard solder.
          You would have 1/4" or more radius of heat effected zone from the soldering site.
          With soldering, you would heat soak all the way through the barrel wall and getting over about 750 is effecting the heat treatment.
          If you decide to go that route, make sure you gas purge the bore so you don't get scale build up there as the steel tries to shed it's carbon as you decarburize it with all that heat.

          With laser or micro welding, you are NOT heat soaking the whole part as the heat effected zone is very small, like say a 1/32" radius from the weld site.
          You won't need to purge the bore or have any problems of decarb in the bore as you won't get the bore surface over 750 degrees.
          Randall Rausch

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          • #20
            ar15barrels
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jan 2006
            • 57170

            Originally posted by hermosabeach
            Skip ahead to 2:28 to see how this gent attaches a band

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWccdgwv5WE
            That is soft solder.
            Randall Rausch

            AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
            Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
            Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
            Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
            Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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            • #21
              eric1911
              Member
              • May 2019
              • 151

              Originally posted by ar15barrels
              Because you will heat soak a good portion of the part to 1200+ to get good adhesion of the hard solder.
              You would have 1/4" or more radius of heat effected zone from the soldering site.
              With soldering, you would heat soak all the way through the barrel wall and getting over about 750 is effecting the heat treatment.
              If you decide to go that route, make sure you gas purge the bore so you don't get scale build up there as the steel tries to shed it's carbon as you decarburize it with all that heat.

              With laser or micro welding, you are NOT heat soaking the whole part as the heat effected zone is very small, like say a 1/32" radius from the weld site.
              You won't need to purge the bore or have any problems of decarb in the bore as you won't get the bore surface over 750 degrees.
              Thanks for your detailed explanation.
              The cost or risk of welding doesn't make sense for a cosmetic touch-up.
              I will try JB weld or Devcon epoxy.
              If it failed, then it's still a cosmetic thing and I will move on.

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