1911 extractor problem

[hntnnut]

I found an old 1911 frame boxed away my pa had bought for me way back when I was in high school. It was a complete mixed part gun in .45 acp back then, but I sold all the parts except the frame,me having big plans for the gun. It ended up getting put in a box and forgotten for over 30 years. Now back to a couple 3 weeks ago its back in the lime light and I've decided to build a 9mm with it. All the parts have been bought and I've been piddling with it in the evening and I've hit a snag with the extractor. The slide I am working with is a Remington R1 enhanced NOS I found on ebay and the extractor is a Wilson Combat for a 9mm/ 38 super.
The problem I'm having is there appears to be excessive space between the hook of the extractor and the breech face and even with excessive extractor tension I can't get it to properly hold a case. I'm wondering if something is out of spec or if maybe I have a 40/45 extractor. I don't know what measurements I can take or even what to reference them to. Can anyone point me in the right direction? I've included a pic for reference.

Richard

[hntnnut]

Pic didn't upload,

[CifaldiPrecision]

1911 extractor problem

When fitting the extractor did you do anything other than add tension? The pad behind the hook usually needs to be filed and shaped allowing the hook to swing in more.

Start there and then once tension is correct and the extractor face has been properly shaped then measure the gap between breach face and hook.

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[ironhorse1]

Wow that looks a bit off!

Is your slide an 80 series?

I replaced a 9mm extractor with the Wilson Combat series 80 style 101S80. Wilson Combat Match Grade Extractor for series 80 Style .38 Super/9mm autos

I needed to remove a small amount of material from the pad to achieve the proper tension.

Checking Midway there are at least three different extractors available.

The OAL of the original extractor is 2.695"

The amount of protrusion of your extractor appears to be about twice the protrusion of the wilson in mine.

[hntnnut]

Yes its a series 80 slide the part# I had ordered is 415-S80, no filling yet as I was concerned with the gap between the breech face and and the back of the case.

Richard

[ironhorse1]

At this point I would just increase the tension. If the extractor is fully up against the channel then adjust the pad.

If there is a space then bend the extractor a little by pulling it back out about halfway and then bend slightly. The extractor hole becomes the bending jig.

Test tension by seeing if it will extract a cartridge not just a case.

The magazine should be fully loaded. Mine would drop the cartridge once the case rim hit the next round in the mag.

Once it is right you will know.

['ol shooter]

This is what a well profiled extractor looks like:

If it won't hold an empty case when the slide is held horizontally, either tension is off or extractor claw is not correct. Replacements are cheap and plentiful.

[mtenenhaus]

here's a nice little review of tuning the 1911 extractor in case you're interested:

https://www.m1911.org/technic2.htm

[CifaldiPrecision]

Keep in mind 9mm extractors are setup different than 45 extractors. A 45 should have contact of the case rim to the extractor and not the hook nose where as the 9mm is opposite. Hook nose contact to the case and the case rim should not make contact to the extractor.


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[ironhorse1]

That's some good info.

'Ol shooter's picture is of a .45 extractor with a very small pad. Nice picture BTW.

The 9mm extractor is not as wide and the two I have the pads are longer.

As long as the op can make his work great.

[jimmykan]

Keep in mind 9mm extractors are setup different than 45 extractors. A 45 should have contact of the case rim to the extractor and not the hook nose where as the 9mm is opposite. Hook nose contact to the case and the case rim should not make contact to the extractor.


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Can you post some pictures to show what you mean? I'm not visualizing the difference.

[CifaldiPrecision]

[mtenenhaus]

towards the bottom of the page you'll find a discussion of the 9mm extractor fit:

https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=829865

nice description here as well: https://www.bunkerarms.com/post/extr...gement-45vs9mm

[tr6guns]

Probably a stupid question, but is it a 45 slide or a 9mm slide?

[jimmykan]

I see the 45ACP scenario, and can now visualize the opposite scenario for 9mm.

Why should they be opposite, though?