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[USPSA GM]

Actually a guy named Ben Stoeger won the USPSA Nationals the last two years using a Beretta. While the first shot on a DA/SA pistol requires more discipline, the rest of the shots are much better then a striker fired pistol assuming proper tuning. Since there are always (hopefully) more follow up shots then first shots the advantage goes to the DA/SA pistol.

Langdon, like most industry shooters shoot whatever they are paid to shoot, or whatever they get the largest or most profitable support package for. And please, before you tell he said he would shoot it anyway, what else would you expect him to say, "its a piece of **** but hey, I get paid to shot it"?

[runway1]

Actually a guy named Ben Stoeger won the USPSA Nationals the last two years using a Beretta. While the first shot on a DA/SA pistol requires more discipline, the rest of the shots are much better then a striker fired pistol assuming proper tuning. Since there are always (hopefully) more follow up shots then first shots the advantage goes to the DA/SA pistol.

Langdon, like most industry shooters shoot whatever they are paid to shoot, or whatever they get the largest or most profitable support package for. And please, before you tell he said he would shoot it anyway, what else would you expect him to say, "its a piece of **** but hey, I get paid to shot it"?

Funny this comes up. My origianl post was because, after much reading and checking the 2012 IDPA Equipment Survey, I figured I'd surely want to change from the DA/SA (starting with a Beretta 92FS). I'll shoot it up for a few matches and rethink this.

The 2012 survey shows only two 92FS's and something like .....30+ Glock 34's. Glocks, XD's and M&P's make up about 75% of the guns used:

http://www.aafgidpa.com/admin/equpment_survey.htm

[HighLander51]

Funny this comes up. My origianl post was because, after much reading and checking the 2012 IDPA Equipment Survey, I figured I'd surely want to change from the DA/SA (starting with a Beretta 92FS). I'll shoot it up for a few matches and rethink this.

The 2012 survey shows only two 92FS's and something like .....30+ Glock 34's. Glocks, XD's and M&P's make up about 75% of the guns used:
http://www.aafgidpa.com/admin/equpment_survey.htm

yea, and there is like one or two Beretta's at big USPSA matches, 65% STI/SVI's, 25% Glocks, and the ten percenter's (XD, M&P's)

Jump in with what you have, there is much, much more to the game than the gun.

[NewGuy1911]

Will I be the only CZ 75 shooter and at the bottom of the pile

[HighLander51]

Will I be the only CZ 75 shooter and at the bottom of the pile

Only if Agnus Hobdell shows up.... I see a few CZ's at Norco Running Gun, but they are really popular in IPSC.

http://czcustom.com/

[USPSA GM]

see post #17 above

[sjm9877]

I guess I just like doing things the hard way, 3 dot sights & a combat sight picture on a 42oz Stainless Sig 226. Nothing feels better to me, there is no disadvantage to the DA/SA in my opinion. Knowing your gun and your skills with make the difference.

[Gryff]

Actually a guy named Ben Stoeger won the USPSA Nationals the last two years using a Beretta.

My bad. I was referring to IDPA where a DA/SA gun has not been used by the SSP or ESP national champions since 2004.

[PM720]

My bad. I was referring to IDPA where a DA/SA gun has not been used by the SSP or ESP national champions since 2004.

I find that interesting considering this was an IDPA discussion.

Scott

[Bob Hostetter]

I think the point was that national championships in this style of shooting were currently being won by DA/SA guns.

[ES13Raven]

most da/sa guns like a sig p226 or berreta 92f are gonna be in SSP

Is the rule that DA/SA guns in SSP have to start with the hammer down (double action first pull), and ESP the shooter can start cocked & locked / SA?

[USPSA GM]

yes

[Gryff]

Is the rule that DA/SA guns in SSP have to start with the hammer down (double action first pull), and ESP the shooter can start cocked & locked / SA?

That's kind of a gray area. As a Match Director, I wouldn't allow it unless the DA/SA gun as a safety that can be activated while the gun is cocked.

Here are the relevant rules:

My rationalization is that a) it is generally unsafe to carry a DA/SA gun in SA condition with no safety being utilized, and b) 99.9% of people carry DA/SA guns for concealed carry wouldn't carry their gun this way.

So, I wouldn't allow a Sig or Beretta to start in SA mode in the holster, but I would a DA/SA CZ-type model that does have the cocked-and-locked safety on the gun.

Other MDs may choose differently, but I think most would agree with me.

[ES13Raven]

So, I wouldn't allow a Sig or Beretta to start in SA mode in the holster, but I would a DA/SA CZ-type model that does have the cocked-and-locked safety on the gun.

I might just have to try my H&K USP in ESP

[9mmepiphany]

We just had our yearly Classifier Match yesterday and several people classified in SSP, ESP and CDP at the same time by shooting the match with a .45ACP chambered H&P USP, SIG 220, M&P45 or Springfield XD...I guess someone could have used a Glock, but I didn't see one