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  • #16
    Chief2Guns
    Member
    • Jan 2012
    • 137

    Practice Racking-it, muscle memory will come into play under pressure and under pressure it will be challenging to look for the small slide release protruding from the gun.
    Hau!

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    • #17
      Scotty
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2005
      • 2074

      Originally posted by Chief2Guns
      under pressure it will be challenging to look for the small slide release protruding from the gun.
      What about the mag release button? It's smaller than the slide release. No one seems to have a problem there.

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      • #18
        guns4life
        Veteran Member
        • Aug 2010
        • 4916

        Originally posted by USM0083
        Manual Rack, specifically an overhand powerstroke (that's what Travis Haley calls it.)

        It's the same motion I use for a TAP-RACK drill.
        I use the overhand powerstroke too...but not on my pistol.
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        • #19
          Lancear15
          Veteran Member
          • Oct 2008
          • 2629

          Originally posted by HighLander51
          how the hell did he do the third one?

          Doesn't look like he used his thumb. I'm guessing he has non factory springs and he bumps the gun forward?
          Absolute power corrupts absolutely, even on Calguns.
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          • #20
            HighLander51
            Banned
            • Feb 2010
            • 5144

            Originally posted by Lancear15
            how the hell did he do the third one?

            Doesn't look like he used his thumb. I'm guessing he has non factory springs and he bumps the gun forward?
            That G34 has a stock recoil spring. All Glocks will do that if you slam the magazine in.

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            • #21
              Bobby Hated
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2010
              • 1616

              if you did exactly what so called "tactical shooting" instructors told you, you'd have to change your technique after each new instructor because there's so much variation this guy says to do this, this guy says to do that...

              consider what instructors say and the reasons behind their opinions, but do what feels right for you.

              personally i use the slide stop on most pistols. i just feel alot faster engaging the slide stop with my weak hand thumb than reaching my weak hand off the gun completely over the top of it to rack it palms to fingers.
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              • #22
                Bobby Hated
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2010
                • 1616

                Originally posted by HighLander51
                That G34 has a stock recoil spring. All Glocks will do that if you slam the magazine in.
                to be honest more than half the time i reload in a match my slide drops from slamming the fresh mag home.

                i actually file down the slide stops on my 2011 and 1911 so that they barely catch the slide, so God forbid i do shoot to slide lock, when that fresh mag comes home the slide drops without fail.
                USPSA Master TY-71084

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                • #23
                  Lancear15
                  Veteran Member
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 2629

                  Originally posted by HighLander51
                  That G34 has a stock recoil spring. All Glocks will do that if you slam the magazine in.
                  I guess I'm not slamming it hard enough.
                  Absolute power corrupts absolutely, even on Calguns.
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                  • #24
                    MossbergMan
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 1255

                    To get the "GlocK Bonus" load consistantly, keep the gun fairly upright when seating the magazine smartly. My XDM40 only slams forward if it's on side about 45 degrees, but it is reliable held that way.
                    Larry Renner
                    Plus (+) P Proficiency LLC
                    NRA and CA. P.O.S.T certified Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun, Tactical Instructor.
                    You never rise to the occassion, you only sink to your lowest level of training" Unknown.

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                    • #25
                      Caseless
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2005
                      • 1668

                      A 30-rounder will "cure" you the bad habit of reloading during a firefight.

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                      • #26
                        guns4life
                        Veteran Member
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 4916

                        Originally posted by Lancear15
                        I guess I'm not slamming it hard enough.

                        Story of your life.


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                        • #27
                          tenpercentfirearms
                          Vendor/Retailer
                          • Apr 2005
                          • 13007

                          I would like to see someone do a reload and keep the sights on target the whole time. I have heard of keeping the firearm up in your line of sight instead of dropping it back down and that makes sense. However, reloading with your sights on target? I would like to see it.
                          www.tenpercentfirearms.com was open from 2005 until 2018. I now own Westside Arms.

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                          • #28
                            HighLander51
                            Banned
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 5144

                            Originally posted by tenpercentfirearms
                            I would like to see someone do a reload and keep the sights on target the whole time.
                            probably why the USPSA Grand Masters do it that way, not. You watch the gun, not the target.







                            Last edited by HighLander51; 07-11-2012, 6:24 AM.

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                            • #29
                              MossbergMan
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 1255

                              M-9 slide release.

                              Originally posted by DannyInSoCal
                              During M9 qualifications I was "advised" to not manually rack the slide after mag changes.

                              The explanation was you can keep your sight picture.

                              However - I do not own just one semi-auto.

                              And all of them seem to have a different slide release control -

                              Under pressure I find I can manually rack without having to think about which sidearm I'm holding/how to release it.

                              What say you...?
                              Danny, the advice was sound, however not for the reason stated. Using the slide stop to release the slide from slide lock is advisable oppossed to "power stroking" the slide for closure on the M-9/Beretta 9s series. Real reason for this is the safety/decocking lever location. It is quite common to decock and safe Beretta 92s, SW Gen 1,2,3 semi-autos when power stroking the slide straight back. If releasing the slide by manually pulling it back, you MUST release your hand/grip in an upward motion as you let go. This is a gun specific technique.
                              Normally I'm an advocate for manual release of the slide from slide lock as it's 100% reliable under stress. Slide stop manipulation is a fine motor skill likely compromised by the effects of elevated stress levels. Fine motor control goes out the window about 125 bpm but you never lose the ability to push or pull (gross motor skills). Some gunfight survivors have had heart rates in excess of 180 bpm.
                              But M-9s and SW autos with slide mounted safeties are the exceptions so use the slide stop lever, they make it larger on these guns just for this reason I suspect.
                              Larry Renner
                              Plus (+) P Proficiency LLC
                              NRA and CA. P.O.S.T certified Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun, Tactical Instructor.
                              You never rise to the occassion, you only sink to your lowest level of training" Unknown.

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                              • #30
                                Scotty
                                Senior Member
                                • Dec 2005
                                • 2074

                                Originally posted by MossbergMan
                                Slide stop manipulation is a fine motor skill likely compromised by the effects of elevated stress levels. Fine motor control goes out the window about 125 bpm but you never lose the ability to push or pull (gross motor skills). Some gunfight survivors have had heart rates in excess of 180 bpm.
                                I'll ask my question again. If pushing a slide release lever is considered a fine motor skill that will be compromised under stress, what do you consider pushing a button, that is typically half the size of a slide release, to release the mag? Some how you can do one but not the other.

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