3 gun scopes? the cat's meaw?

[Carlosa]

Hey guys..
so I"m currently running an eotech with a 3x magnifier which put's me in open division..
i thinking selling that setup and switching to a 1x4 style scope setup and drop down to tac rifle...
what's the cat's meaw now a days??
here's what's I've found on my searches so far but some of this stuff seems a bit dated..

GRSC's mid range scope 1-4x24 illuminated CQB
AccuPoint 1-4x24 30mm (not sure what the best reticule recommendation is)
night force 1-4x24 nxs

What type of reticules are most of you guys running??

cheers,
Los..

[SuperSet]

First, you mentioned that you were classified in Open. I think this is incorrect.
The EOTech + magnifier solution should leave you in Tac Optics, as long as you don't remove the magnifier (i.e. pivot or FTS mount).
Second, you mentioned the popular ones although I'd include the Meopta KDot there as well. All of those are roughly in the same price category so it depends on how much you want to spend.

[TMC]

Go to the Brian Enos forum and do a search. There's a couple days reading on this subject.

[esskay]

Yep, a red dot optic + magnifier will keep you in Tactical Scoped but you must leave the magnifier on the gun for the whole match. If you pop it off for a close range hoser stage, then put it back on for a long range stage then you'd bump into Open.

A key gating factor for me on optics for 3-gun is a bright daylight reticle. If looking at 1-4x scopes, it is vital for me that it have a bright illuminated reticle. For me, this (plus good glass) is what makes the 1-4x scope (almost) as fast as a red dot on hoser stages.

At a reasonable price range, you don't have a lot of choices that are daytime visible... Accupoint, Meopta K-Dot... The Meopta glass at 1X is very nice.

Nightforce is not daylight visible, I didn't think GRSC was either but I could be wrong.

[Carlosa]

First, you mentioned that you were classified in Open. I think this is incorrect.
The EOTech + magnifier solution should leave you in Tac Optics, as long as you don't remove the magnifier (i.e. pivot or FTS mount).
Second, you mentioned the popular ones although I'd include the Meopta KDot there as well. All of those are roughly in the same price category so it depends on how much you want to spend.

I do use the flip to the side..
Which is why I'm looking at a 1x4 cat tail combo..
Plus the eotech doesn't play nice with my eyes.. The moa dot smears horisontaly when I'm when aiming at 3 inch targets a 100 yards
i've looked a kdot before looks cool after shooting with the eotech reticule I find it a bit harder to do hold overs vs something like Grsc.

[esskay]

I do use the flip to the side..
Which is why I'm looking at a 1x4 cat tail combo..
Plus the eotech doesn't play nice with my eyes.. The moa dot smears horisontaly when I'm when aiming at 3 inch targets a 100 yards
i've looked a kdot before looks cool after shooting with the eotech reticule I find it a bit harder to do hold overs vs something like Grsc.

then you should still be in tac scoped.

Meopta is not so great if you need to do ranging in the reticle. But for 3-gun games it works just great. Someone on the Benos forums posted up this awesome diagram. Check out the attached PDF.

[mif_slim]

Didnt Nikon come up with a m223? Anyone used those before?

[3GunFunShooter]

+1 on what TMC wrote. Brian Enos is the place to research.
I do run the Burris XTR. Love it. Illumination sucks in bright light but love the BDC.
Use the Millet DMS on my HD rifle. Good scope for the money.
Is the GRSC even available? His BDC is on the XTR.

[Carlosa]

wait...
I'm confused now..
I do use the eotech and plan on flipping the magnifier off and on..
That puts me on open right??
The 1x4 cat tail would put me on tac scope right?
Becuse it's one pice of glass vs 2?
I'll check out the graph thanks for the post

then you should still be in tac scoped.

Meopta is not so great if you need to do ranging in the reticle. But for 3-gun games it works just great. Someone on the Benos forums posted up this awesome diagram. Check out the attached PDF.

[SuperSet]

No, the EOTech + magnifier puts you into Tac Scope, as long as the magnifier it stays on the rifle.

[Chivas]

I just switched to the Burris XTR 1-4X with a cattail from R&R. The BDC is great!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No holdovers anymore. I run a 69 GR. SMK using 25.8 grains of Varget and it matches the BDC perfectly. (2875 FPS) I mounted it with the LaRue mount. THAT IS MY CATS MEOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Carlosa]

No, the EOTech + magnifier puts you into Tac Scope, as long as the magnifier it stays on the rifle.

fliping the magnifier to the side doesn't constitute as detaching?

[SuperSet]

No, it stays on the gun so it's not considered 2 optics. Every 3-gun match that I've shot has put this setup into Tac Optics and consider them the same as variable scopes.

[Carlosa]

whhhhooooaaaaagh???
Cool well that's good to know..
I had no idea about that.
Thanks, I might reconsider my hole purchase.
Cheers!

No, it stays on the gun so it's not considered 2 optics. Every 3-gun match that I've shot has put this setup into Tac Optics and consider them the same as variable scopes.

[gose]

Yep, a red dot optic + magnifier will keep you in Tactical Scoped but you must leave the magnifier on the gun for the whole match. If you pop it off for a close range hoser stage, then put it back on for a long range stage then you'd bump into Open.
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Most matches wont even allow you to pop on/off optics in Open.

The USPSA rules say:
A rifle is considered to be the combination of a specific caliber, barrel, stock or grip, sighting system, and fixed magazine or magazine tube if applicable. Competitors must not reconfigure any firearm (i.e., change caliber, barrel, muzzle brakes/compensator/flash hiders, butt stock, forend, sighting system (including scopes, magnifiers, etc), fixed magazine or magazine tube) during the course of a match.

And most of the "outlaw" matches have similar wording, so I dont really see how taking the magnifier off would even be legal in Open.