2010 Bay Area Rifle Championship

[dchang0]

Awesome--thanks again, Geoff! My application and payment are in the mail!

[GeoffLinder]

OK, it looks like we are at capacity now and registration will be closed.

If you mailed your application in anytime last week you are good to go. If you haven't sent your application in yet and have not sent me a personal message to hold a slot then you are probably not going to get a slot in the 2010 BARC.

I will verify final competitor count and post a revised registered competitor list this evening.

[norbs007]

Yes, Henrik is also a solid bet for top honors and I am certain he will give Keith a good battle :-)

I'll whoop all their behinds... watch!

[gose]

With the recent USPSA approval of non-magnified optics in Limited, will they be allowed in Limited for this match?

[guns_and_labs]

With the recent USPSA approval of non-magnified optics in Limited, will they be allowed in Limited for this match?

Since when, ie. how recent? I thought they were only allowed in tactical for rifles, and I can't find any announcement on the USPSA site.

[gose]

Since when, ie. how recent? I thought they were only allowed in tactical for rifles, and I can't find any announcement on the USPSA site.

It's very recent, so it hasnt been announced on the USPSA site, or in the rules yet.

It was posted on BE today (http://www.brianenos.com/forums/inde...owtopic=110320)

Actually, its available on the USPSA site, in the members section, under board minutes.
Its listed as "Effective immediately", so I assume that means that non-magnified optics will be allowed for this match, since it follows USPSA rules

[guns_and_labs]

Gotta wonder why they didn't just eliminate Limited, and push everyone to Tactical. Oh well. Progress?

[sargenv]

Because some of us want to actually USE iron sights? I was actually impressed how well I did with my iron sighted Marlin 336.. I COULD actually hit 8" plates with it..

[gose]

Gotta wonder why they didn't just eliminate Limited, and push everyone to Tactical. Oh well. Progress?

Because a non-magnified optic doesnt really stand a chance against a 1-4x optic? Just look at the number of non-magnified optics in Tactical... pretty darn close to zero.

This has been talked about before, at least on BE, and if you look at the old threads you'll see that most of the current irons shooters are actually positive to the idea.

An untrained shooter will definitely be faster with a red dot. A good irons shooter... the difference is probably marginal and the irons might even be faster at longer distance.

Limited was pretty much dying anyway, so I think it's a good move. It might draw out people to shoot, people that have an AR with an Aimpoint or Eotech and dont want to get an expensive 1-4x optic to be competitive.

Only time will tell if it was a good move or not.

[MrNiceGuy]

I shot last year's BARC in Tactical with a non magnified red dot.
I was able to hit every flasher on the 200 yard line (think the targets were actually 180 yard-ish?).
Granted I wasn't as fast but some of the folks with magnified scope couldn't finish that stage so it's not that bad.

Maybe the purpose of this change in rules is so folks in Tactical with the non-magnified red dots can move to Limited to have a fighting chance?

[mecam]

Damn, the Tactical division is no joke. I think I'd have a better chance getting wood in Limited with my Aimpoint.

[guns_and_labs]

It might draw out people to shoot, people that have an AR with an Aimpoint or Eotech and dont want to get an expensive 1-4x optic to be competitive.

Only time will tell if it was a good move or not.

Personally, I doubt it. Most AR's don't come with Aimpoints. Mine didn't. And last time I checked, the price points of red dots and 1-4x's were pretty darned close.

But what do I know... I still shoot bolt actions.

This change doesn't convince me to try three-gun -- just the opposite. It puts another barrier up. But I'm sure they aren't marketing to old farts like me.

[MrNiceGuy]

Stay out of Limited Rick! Shoo! Go away! :P

[sargenv]

Hmm.. now I need see if I can find a mount for a C-more for my 336

then I could use that one extra round.. (6+1).

[gose]

Personally, I doubt it. Most AR's don't come with Aimpoints. Mine didn't. And last time I checked, the price points of red dots and 1-4x's were pretty darned close.
But what do I know... I still shoot bolt actions.
This change doesn't convince me to try three-gun -- just the opposite. It puts another barrier up. But I'm sure they aren't marketing to old farts like me.

Look around... on this forum, arfcom, on any range, or in the safe of anyone who got their ARs fairly recently. The number of irons-only rifles is abysmally low and the number of ARs with NMOs is significantly larger than ARs with 1-4 variable optics.

Aimpoints and Eotechs are 300-500, decent variable scopes start at at 600-ish, good ones are more like 800 and up.

Most people who shoots 3-gun, or those that arranged matches where they tried this, seem to agree that it's a good thing. Even the top irons shooters all seem to agree that it's a good thing and you would have thought that they would be the first ones to complain if they felt threatened by it?

I dont really care about trying to help limited survive by changing the rules> If people dont want to shoot irons, big deal, no point in trying to keep it on life support. What I do care is for the sport to grow and if this can help bring in some people and make the sport grow, I'm all for it.