USPSA President?

[NorthBay Shooter]

Sounds like the membership is finally starting to put the Board in check.

Not done yet. His RO cert is still suspended for 1 year. He can appeal to get it back earlier, but if denied, he would not be eligible at the start of his term because he is not an RO. Just like A3 was this year. I am not sure they would give YML an exception to wait for the year to be up before getting it back. Meaning A2 would be president since he is VP.

[Mayor McRifle]

Not done yet. His RO cert is still suspended for 1 year. He can appeal to get it back earlier, but if denied, he would not be eligible at the start of his term because he is not an RO. Just like A3 was this year. I am not sure they would give YML an exception to wait for the year to be up before getting it back. Meaning A2 would be president since he is VP.

They made an exception to that board-created bylaw for the Area 4 Director. They can do the same thing for the man elected TWICE by the membership-at-large to serve in that position.

[get2now]

It seems as though the "By Laws" are not written in stone. If the BOD wants to make exceptions they will.
The latest; 2023 election had 8,000 fewer eligible voters than the 2022 election where YML received 22 percent of the votes. Now with 8k fewer eligible voters he received 23 percent of those votes.
This should tell the BOD something.

[PM720]

They made an exception to that board-created bylaw for the Area 4 Director. They can do the same thing for the man elected TWICE by the membership-at-large to serve in that position.

This, all of this! 👍

[IVC]

Here's from the BOD's post on YML incident:

The Board met on three separate occasions for many hours to examine the evidence and consider Lin's written and in-person response during the appeal process. At a special meeting on May 31, 2023, to consider Lin's appeal, the Board offered to reduce his discipline to Level 3 and allow him to retain his RO certification if he agreed to accept responsibility for his behavior and complete mandatory re-education as required under the RO Discipline Procedure. However, Lin rejected the proposal leaving the Board with no option except to uphold the Level 4 discipline.

This thread is beginning to sound like a conspiracy theory where the BOD made YML do all the things he did so that they could later railroad him through the RO discipline. Quite an elaborate plan. And evidence shows otherwise.

[broadside]

Here's from the BOD's post on YML incident:



This thread is beginning to sound like a conspiracy theory where the BOD made YML do all the things he did so that they could later railroad him through the RO discipline. Quite an elaborate plan. And evidence shows otherwise.

Having talked to YML many times about this, there are other things not mentioned in that BOD statement that would make me want to refuse their offer as well. I will not discuss specifics of our private convos though.

[IVC]

Having talked to YML many times about this, there are other things not mentioned in that BOD statement that would make me want to refuse their offer as well. I will not discuss specifics of our private convos though.

No doubt, it's easy to see there is animosity. But there is narrative that this was planned by the BOD to weaponize the NROI.

And in addition to your personal talks, there is also the background of seriously inappropriate conduct (sexually) at the top with respect to a female employee, for which USPSA was sued. Should they have let the dry humping and language at a high level sanctioned match by the no less than the president himself slide? What would be appropriate action in this case by the BOD and NROI?

[NorthBay Shooter]

No doubt, it's easy to see there is animosity. But there is narrative that this was planned by the BOD to weaponize the NROI.

And in addition to your personal talks, there is also the background of seriously inappropriate conduct (sexually) at the top with respect to a female employee, for which USPSA was sued. Should they have let the dry humping and language at a high level sanctioned match by the no less than the president himself slide? What would be appropriate action in this case by the BOD and NROI?

I don't think it was planned by the BOD, I just think an opportunity presented itself and was utilized.

However, I totally agree with the reference to the previously mentioned inappropriate conduct issue. In light of that, the offensive language and actions should be dealt with by the board. However, I don't think the pulling of the RO cert was the right process for an employee that could be held to a different standard. The pulling of the cert was designed for a volunteer staff.

The question is what happens now? Suppose YML wins the election. In Jan he will still not be an RO and therefore according to the bylaws not be eligible to hold the position. So the VP will be the president and we will need to spend money on another election.

[Mayor McRifle]

The question is what happens now? Suppose YML wins the election. In Jan he will still not be an RO and therefore according to the bylaws not be eligible to hold the position. So the VP will be the president and we will need to spend money on another election.

I will keep voting for Yee-Min Lin until the Board caves and gives up this dictatorial power grab. And if they have to keep spending money on it what will that mean? Less membership-funded booze for them in the corporate tent at next year’s Nationals? BFD. They’ve been feeding at our trough for far too long as it is.

[IVC]

However, I totally agree with the reference to the previously mentioned inappropriate conduct issue. In light of that, the offensive language and actions should be dealt with by the board. However, I don't think the pulling of the RO cert was the right process for an employee that could be held to a different standard. The pulling of the cert was designed for a volunteer staff.

They offered to have him keep the RO certificate, he refused. Looks like there was more to it, but there always is when dealing with inappropriate conduct - it's not on the offender's terms and there are consequences for acting that way.

What would you have done and what do you think an appropriate action in this case is?

Mind you, I'll play devil's advocate from both sides. If you go too lenient, I'll go from the angle of people who want to remove sexualization from the USPSA and avoid merited sexual harassment lawsuits. If you go too harsh, I'll go from the angle of "BOD are power hungry tyrants." So, choose wisely .