USPSA President?

[midvalleyshooter]

Can someone familiar with the latest USPSA President issue send me a PM explaining what happened? I voted for the guy along with many others and am surprised with the news.
Thanks in advance

[get2now]

Call me. I have third hand maybe fourth hand knowledge.

[anonymouscuban]

USPSA President?

Here are the facts:

YML was CRO on one of the stages at the Road Runner Championship match in March. My squad was made up of about 14 guys that are all friends or acquaintances of YML.

While our squad was shooting the match, YML referred to 2 deltas on a target as ?2 Dicks?. He did it jokingly with the shooter. While greeting another shooter that shoots with him often, he pretended to dry hump him.

Danny Minter, the RM at the match, heard about this stuff. Danny Minter is not a fan of YML. Danny minter then asked the other 2 ROs on the stage to write formal letters to DNROI about the incident. Neither of the ROs wrote letters.

When YML was made aware of the situation, that someone may have been offended, he formerly apologized to the other staff. No other incidents took place for rest of the match.

Danny Minter escalated the issue anyway to DNROI. DNROI revoked YML?s RO certification. The bylaws clearly state that a member of the Board or President cannot hold said position without an RO cert and has to immediately ?resign?.

The Board of Directors voted and removed YML as president.

During the exact same time this was all happening, the newly appointed Area 4 Director was allowed to take and hold office without ever having an RO certificate in direct conflict with the same bylaw that was used to remove YML, the president that was elected by the membership.

Those were the facts. Now here is my opinion:

YML was seen as an outsider to the existing Board of Directors. He won over the candidate that they backed. Further, YML started asking hard questions and demanding to see the Budget, P&L and other financial documents? documents that are supposed to be public as a nonprofit. The Board didn?t like this and, at best, this was a convenient way to rid themselves of YML. At worst, this was all orchestrated by the Board and Danny Minter was just a tool they used to do it.

If it wasn?t apparent before, it is clear now that the legacy board members don?t give one **** about the members or the bylaws. It?s a ?good old boys? club. It?s also my opinion based on their actions that they are misusing the Organization money, which is our money as members. Whether it?s nefarious or from simple, dumb, mismanagement, it?s quite apparent that they don?t want outsiders looking too closely at how our money is being spent.

Our only recourse is to vote these guys out. The legacy/incumbent board of directors:
Area 1
Area 2
Area 4
Area 5
Area 6
Area 8

We recently elected new directors in Area 3 and Area 7. Two guys that seem to want to right the ship based on how they?ve voted on things.

Currently up for election is Area 6 and Area 8. Hopefully the members of those areas vote for the right candidate. I am optimistic that Area 6 will get a good one. Area 8 I?m not sure.


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[midvalleyshooter]

Here are the facts:

YML was CRO on one of the stages at the Road Runner Championship match in March. My squad was made up of about 14 guys that are all friends or acquaintances of YML.

While our squad was shooting the match, YML referred to 2 deltas on a target as ?2 Dicks?. He did it jokingly with the shooter. While greeting another shooter that shoots with him often, he pretended to dry hump him.

Danny Minter, the RM at the match, heard about this stuff. Danny Minter is not a fan of YML. Danny minter then asked the other 2 ROs on the stage to right formal letters to DNROI about the incident.

Neither of the ROs wrote letters. When YML was made aware of the situation, that someone may have been offended, he formerly apologized to the other staff. No other incidents took place for rest of the match.

Danny Minter escalated the issue anyway to DNROI. DNROI revoked YML?s RO certification. The bylaws clearly state that a member of the Board or President cannot hold said position without an RO cert and has to immediately ?resign?.

The Board of Directors voted and removed YML as president.

During the exact same time this was all happening, the newly appointed Area 4 Director was allowed to take and hold office without ever having an RO certificate in direct conflict with the same bylaw that was used to remove YML, the president that was elected by the membership.

My Opinion:

YML was seen as an outsider to the existing Board of Directors. He won over the candidate that they backed. Further, YML started asking hard questions and demanding to see the Budget, P&L and other financial documents? documents that are supposed to be public as a nonprofit. The Board didn?t like this and, at best, this was a convenient way to rid themselves of YML. At worst, this was all orchestrated by the Board and Danny Minter was just a tool they used to do it.

If it wasn?t apparent before, it is clear now that the legacy board members don?t give one **** about the members or the bylaws. It?s a ?good old boys? club. It?s also my opinion based on their actions that they are misusing the Organization money, which is our money as members. Whether it?s nefarious or from simple, dumb, mismanagement, it?s quite apparent that they don?t want outsiders looking too closely at how our money is being spent.

Our only recourse is to vote these guys out. The legacy/incumbent board of directors:
Area 1
Area 2
Area 4
Area 5
Area 6
Area 8

We recently elected new directors in Area 3 and Area 7. Two guys that seem to want to right the ship based on how they?ve voted on things.

Currently up for election is Area 6 and Area 8. Hopefully the members of those areas vote for the right candidate. I am optimistic that Area 6 will get a good one. Area 8 I?m not sure.


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Thanks for the info. I'm curious if anyone else can add to this?

[Mayor McRifle]

Just vote Yee-Min Lin back in out of principle alone. Force the Board to reinstate his RO certificate, change the stupid by-law, or make him involuntarily resign again and go through this process again and again.

I don’t know Danny Minter, but he sounds like a real tool. The current Board is out of control, and the by-laws allow the DNROI to get rid of anyone they want just by pulling their RO certificate. What a joke.

[IVC]

Wasn't aware of this, interesting.

What's your opinion on Leighton, our area director, with respect to being or not being part of the problem? I met him a few times when he came out to Pala to shoot and talk about his candidacy for the area director and I'm connected with him on social media.

[NorthBay Shooter]

Here are the facts:

YML was CRO on one of the stages at the Road Runner Championship match in March. My squad was made up of about 14 guys that are all friends or acquaintances of YML.

While our squad was shooting the match, YML referred to 2 deltas on a target as ?2 Dicks?. He did it jokingly with the shooter. While greeting another shooter that shoots with him often, he pretended to dry hump him.

Danny Minter, the RM at the match, heard about this stuff. Danny Minter is not a fan of YML. Danny minter then asked the other 2 ROs on the stage to write formal letters to DNROI about the incident. Neither of the ROs wrote letters.

When YML was made aware of the situation, that someone may have been offended, he formerly apologized to the other staff. No other incidents took place for rest of the match.

Danny Minter escalated the issue anyway to DNROI. DNROI revoked YML?s RO certification. The bylaws clearly state that a member of the Board or President cannot hold said position without an RO cert and has to immediately ?resign?.

The Board of Directors voted and removed YML as president.

During the exact same time this was all happening, the newly appointed Area 4 Director was allowed to take and hold office without ever having an RO certificate in direct conflict with the same bylaw that was used to remove YML, the president that was elected by the membership.

Those were the facts. Now here is my opinion:

YML was seen as an outsider to the existing Board of Directors. He won over the candidate that they backed. Further, YML started asking hard questions and demanding to see the Budget, P&L and other financial documents? documents that are supposed to be public as a nonprofit. The Board didn?t like this and, at best, this was a convenient way to rid themselves of YML. At worst, this was all orchestrated by the Board and Danny Minter was just a tool they used to do it.

If it wasn?t apparent before, it is clear now that the legacy board members don?t give one **** about the members or the bylaws. It?s a ?good old boys? club. It?s also my opinion based on their actions that they are misusing the Organization money, which is our money as members. Whether it?s nefarious or from simple, dumb, mismanagement, it?s quite apparent that they don?t want outsiders looking too closely at how our money is being spent.

Our only recourse is to vote these guys out. The legacy/incumbent board of directors:
Area 1
Area 2
Area 4
Area 5
Area 6
Area 8

We recently elected new directors in Area 3 and Area 7. Two guys that seem to want to right the ship based on how they?ve voted on things.

Currently up for election is Area 6 and Area 8. Hopefully the members of those areas vote for the right candidate. I am optimistic that Area 6 will get a good one. Area 8 I?m not sure.


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The facts presented are correct from my understanding as well. The opinion is mostly correct as well.


From IPSC's Constitution.
5.9 The Executive Council may, by unanimous vote, suspend the affiliation of any Regional Directorate for failure to respect the Principles of Practical Shooting, or for defalcation or mismanagement of the affairs of its Region, or for misrepresentation of or failure to represent the interests of Practical Shooters residing therein, or for any action deemed harmful to another region or to the confederation as a whole. Such suspension must be ratified by a majority of votes cast at the next ensuing Assembly.

The Assembly may, on recommendation of Executive Council and by a majority of three fourths of the votes cast, expel a Regional Directorate for the reasons aforementioned, whereupon the Region shall be declared vacant.

In my mind, USPSA has failed to respect the principles of practical shooting and mismanagement of the affairs of it's region.

[anonymouscuban]

Wasn't aware of this, interesting.

What's your opinion on Leighton, our area director, with respect to being or not being part of the problem? I met him a few times when he came out to Pala to shoot and talk about his candidacy for the area director and I'm connected with him on social media.

Leighton is the kingpin. It?s quite obvious to anyone paying attention that the other legacy area directors look to him for direction. He?s one of the main problems with the Board. IMO, we out Leighton and that will go a long way to fixing things. The others may fall in line with however the tied turns.

Now, you probably thought Leighton was a nice guy. I?ve met Leighton and spoke to him briefly at a Major. He?s cordial. He?s polite. That?s not in question. It?s his actions as a board member that is a problem.

The organization is losing money. It?s not being run well. This is all under Leighton and the other legacy Area Directors. What happens when a business is being run effectively? You replace the management? the people making the bad decisions.


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[anonymouscuban]

The facts presented are correct from my understanding as well. The opinion is mostly correct as well.


From IPSC's Constitution.
5.9 The Executive Council may, by unanimous vote, suspend the affiliation of any Regional Directorate for failure to respect the Principles of Practical Shooting, or for defalcation or mismanagement of the affairs of its Region, or for misrepresentation of or failure to represent the interests of Practical Shooters residing therein, or for any action deemed harmful to another region or to the confederation as a whole. Such suspension must be ratified by a majority of votes cast at the next ensuing Assembly.

The Assembly may, on recommendation of Executive Council and by a majority of three fourths of the votes cast, expel a Regional Directorate for the reasons aforementioned, whereupon the Region shall be declared vacant.

In my mind, USPSA has failed to respect the principles of practical shooting and mismanagement of the affairs of it's region.

In my mind as well. The problem is we have too many members that are unaware. It?s the ?I just want to shoot and have fun? crowd. The difficult part is trying to get this crowd to see that if they don?t start caring about how the org is being run, that the org go bankrupt and that means no more USPSA sanctioned matches.

For many, that won?t matter because local clubs may continue to run outlaw, unsanctioned matches. This will be fine for a bit but as time passes, unless another league steps up, match quality will degrade and eventually, every match you shoot will be under different rules, formats, etc.

Oh, and no more majors: no more section matches, area championships, nationals.


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[PM720]

There is always IDPA...

[BrassCase]

Yes there are a lot of us who are just "club shooters" in USPSA. And yes, we are a bit more isolated as we don't usually participate in anything above a level 1 (club) match. At the last election I asked one of our members who shoots higher level and knows YML. He endorsed YML and so he got my vote. To my shame I guess, I don't know which area I'm in or who the Director for it is.

[Corbin Dallas]

Mismanagement of funds is not exclusive to any club.

Many years ago, before there was a change in leadership at the other club that shared bays and range time at Pala, supplies, props, and funds were light despite a decent turnout of members every match.

That all changed once the old guard was outed and the new guard ran the club like a proper business.

Sounds like USPSA is still running under the old guard.

Hope you all can work it out and right the ship.

[anonymouscuban]

Yes there are a lot of us who are just "club shooters" in USPSA. And yes, we are a bit more isolated as we don't usually participate in anything above a level 1 (club) match. At the last election I asked one of our members who shoots higher level and knows YML. He endorsed YML and so he got my vote. To my shame I guess, I don't know which area I'm in or who the Director for it is.

California belongs to Area 2. Leighton Oosthuisen is the Area 2 Director. His seat will be up for vote I believe next year. He needs to be voted out.


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[NorthBay Shooter]

The problem with finance in USPSA is they don't have a true accounting person/department. It's a multi million dollar business and it runs like a small farmers market.

They don't track expenses in according to normal G/L codes. There is no responsibility for spending for anything that has been approved. There is no true budget for any of the events. How can you run a nationals and not have a budget for all the normal expenses, targets, food, materials, per-diem for staff, etc. I am tired of hearing that because so many folks are volunteers, they can only do so much. Stupid. There are tons of local clubs, all run by volunteers and they don't have these financial problems.

We are more worried about electing people that are GM's then electing people that know how to manage. I would much rather have a C class shooter that runs a successful business than a GM that is the supervisor of a car wash. (no offence to car wash employes). The challenge is the business guy is not volunteering for the job.

Disclaimer, I don't have any actual insider knowledge of what goes on. Only my opinion based on looking at the financials.

[anonymouscuban]

The problem with finance in USPSA is they don't have a true accounting person/department. It's a multi million dollar business and it runs like a small farmers market.

They don't track expenses in according to normal G/L codes. There is no responsibility for spending for anything that has been approved. There is no true budget for any of the events. How can you run a nationals and not have a budget for all the normal expenses, targets, food, materials, per-diem for staff, etc. I am tired of hearing that because so many folks are volunteers, they can only do so much. Stupid. There are tons of local clubs, all run by volunteers and they don't have these financial problems.

We are more worried about electing people that are GM's then electing people that know how to manage. I would much rather have a C class shooter that runs a successful business than a GM that is the supervisor of a car wash. (no offence to car wash employes). The challenge is the business guy is not volunteering for the job.

Disclaimer, I don't have any actual insider knowledge of what goes on. Only my opinion based on looking at the financials.

I believe that?s an accurate assessment based on what I?ve seen. To make matters worse, the BOD doesn?t release any financial information like they?re supposed to. Still have released the Audit information that was done last year. No 2023 budget. No P&L.

My understanding is that the new A6D has finance and accounting experience. He has requested to see historical financials and has been stonewalled.


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