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[-hanko]

Still not sure what your point is. Whether Piazza is a scientologist or not has nothing to do with the training. There is zero reference to anything Scientology related on site.

Have you even been to FS? I get the sense you have not and are just (unsuccessfully) trolling here.

I've trained there half a dozen times.

Piazza's actions have been ridiculous since he began in California.

96% of those voting here favored dumping FS, or joining a class action suit.

I wouldn't call it trolling, seems obvious to me if/when repeated promises that get better and better over the years never happen.

Dr. Piazza has had a pretty transparent plan over the years, not sure why you cannot successfully see his plan.

[Citizen_B]

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com...us-piazza.html

Still not sure what your point is. Whether Piazza is a scientologist or not has nothing to do with the training. There is zero reference to anything Scientology related on site.

Have you even been to FS? I get the sense you have not and are just (unsuccessfully) trolling here.

[-hanko]

What does being a scientologist have anything to do with what's going on, assuming it is even true? I have never seen or heard anything to do with scientology at FS.

Heck, totally opposite as a matter of fact. In scientology you do NOT get free memberships for life, you have to keep paying in order to advance.

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/i/ignatius-piazza.html

[dsw-001]

My prediction:

He needs to get all members off the all classes for free for life terms. The Gold Status path is the way to do that. He's going to make better and better deals to pull legacy members over to Gold Status (or whatever future names it changes to). Training quality for Gold and non-Gold members will remain the same. Maybe he plays games with the background check fee like eventually prevents using credits for it.

As he keeps offering deals of FS Buck etc, he'll once again starts inflating the supply to infinity. Right now the FS Buck value is close to USD parity for ammo etc. It won't stay like that. How much ammo you purchase will either be limited or the price inflated. The same for other things you can use FS Bucks for. Any of this sound familiar? The fees that can be paid with FS Bucks may go up or down, but what won't change is at least one fee (likely a daily fee) that must be paid in USD. This is the only real fee he cares about and is his protected cash flow.

This opinion, $5M Patronage Points, and $2 get you a small coffee at the FS food truck.

I think you are correct. Anything to change your existing membership is going downgrade your membership into "gold star" membership class.

The other thing that will probably happen once he has enough of his "gold star" members is that the fees will start to rise. Remember he originally wanted $500/$600 per member annually + $75 per day with real money. I can see this being ratcheted up to $100/$125 per day of class and it'll be close to the GS $500 per day. It's easy to justify it by just stating inflation. The raises will need to be tempered as if it's too much, nobody will show up.

As for the F$ money being inflated to nothing, you're probably right - a box of ammo is soon going to be something like $24.50 USD or $20 USD + 10F$. The actual cost to FS is going to be like $15 USD so he'll make money either way. That was pretty much what happened to the FS credits and basically the F$ money will be basically worthless.

[acegunnr]

They are talking about us over here...

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1775690

[Citizen_B]

My prediction:

He needs to get all members off the all classes for free for life terms. The Gold Status path is the way to do that. He's going to make better and better deals to pull legacy members over to Gold Status (or whatever future names it changes to). Training quality for Gold and non-Gold members will remain the same. Maybe he plays games with the background check fee like eventually prevents using credits for it.

As he keeps offering deals of FS Buck etc, he'll once again starts inflating the supply to infinity. Right now the FS Buck value is close to USD parity for ammo etc. It won't stay like that. How much ammo you purchase will either be limited or the price inflated. The same for other things you can use FS Bucks for. Any of this sound familiar? The fees that can be paid with FS Bucks may go up or down, but what won't change is at least one fee (likely a daily fee) that must be paid in USD. This is the only real fee he cares about and is his protected cash flow.

This opinion, $5M Patronage Points, and $2 get you a small coffee at the FS food truck.

[SWalt]

IN!!!

But I bet this thread will last longer than FS stays open. Hate to say that but, like others have said, he didn't really have a solid business plan and totally relied on puffery and promises he couldn't keep. Funny.......if he instead charged everyone $50 or $100 for all those upgrades he gave away in November how many would have jumped on it? Wouldn't that give him the big cash infusion that he didn't get when he asked?

[tanks]

Actually, it is $300 for 4 days unless it changes again.

[Invalcon@msn.com]

Admittedly, Piazza’s business model is flawed. On the other hand, for the $ 80.00 Commander membership I possessed, I received some good training and greatly enjoyed my 4 day course. I hear a whole of whining here by folks who, most likely, didn’t have large sums tied up in the training they received. Hopefully the place comes out of the current tailspin. Truth be told, and assuming the quality of training doesn’t tank, $ 500.00 for a 4 day is cheap.

[Vinnie Boombatz]

I am a gun dealer. I went to FS for the second time and upgraded to get my son on the plan. In it we all got free guns. I wanted my guns when I got there and they agreed they would have them there when I got there. They wanted the $50 dollars shipping and handling/transfer fee per gun even though I was picking the up there. I got lie after lie from the pro shop. They even said it was the law and they could not do anything about it. I finally told them if they did not transfer the guns to me I was going to call my law firm right now that my wife works at, still they would not wave the fee. So I told them to just send them to my gun shop. Then that took months to happen. Then they said the distributer was back ordered even when they previously said they had them in the pro shop. Then they said the order guns are different than the pro shop guns two separate businesses. The lies FS has told it members are in the tens of thousands and the all come from IGGY the scientologist! IGGY has to go no exception period!!!!!

Dude, you're really starting to sound like you're obsessed with Dr. Piazza. You've made your points over and over and over and over and over and we get it. Really though, time to just go for a walk, take a break, have a drink or do something else. Find a new thread to live in. You're super annoying, and that's coming from ME, someone who is pretty darn annoying around here.

I'm not supporting Piazza and what not, but anytime someone says anything positive about the training you come back with some half-cocked straw man argument that isn't even relevant to what the person said.

[waveslayer]

Bahahahaha, correct answer.

Looks like we need a Large Tub of Butt Hurt Cream for this thread!

(some here need to apply liberaly)

Amen to that. Maybe I'll donate a dollar, but looking at the lawsuit he's in the wrong so [emoji1745]

My wife thinks I only have 3 guns

[Spartan301]

Just got another drink the Kool-aid letter. I am not doing anything and will see how it plays out.

Bahahahaha, correct answer.

Looks like we need a Large Tub of Butt Hurt Cream for this thread!

(some here need to apply liberaly)

[tanks]

... The lies FS has told it members are in the tens of thousands and the all come from IGGY the scientologist!...!

What does being a scientologist have anything to do with what's going on, assuming it is even true? I have never seen or heard anything to do with scientology at FS.

Heck, totally opposite as a matter of fact. In scientology you do NOT get free memberships for life, you have to keep paying in order to advance.

[Jerry1834]

Just got another drink the Kool-aid letter. I am not doing anything and will see how it plays out.

[waveslayer]

Dr. Pizza boy had been a scam artist from the get go. I was there back in 2008 or 2009 when the guys jumped up and yelling at Pizza Boy from his first fraud from a community he was building. 10 custom homes. That was classic.

I even threatened to sue him after he owed me 9 guns for selling so many Diamond memberships, for almost 2 years... he didn't know that I knew his distributor and that he just didn't want to pay... he kept saying they were out of stock. Well a personal screen shot of all the guns being in stock didn't help him much.. then he banned me from upgrading any of my memberships, lol. I was so sad I couldn't continue his Ponzi scheme...

I even heard why he is getting sued... again he is a liar.

I know his pro shop he had almost 4 million in store credits, he then canceled all of that and removed anything worth buying from his shop... total joke.

From day one his business model was unsustainable. He couldn't even make payroll sometimes. Several of my friends just left because of all his BS! You can't sell lifetime memberships and survive.... a per class charge makes sense, but now what he did, BLAMES US FOR NOT BAKING HIS A OUT!!!!

WHAT JOKE. LATER PIZZA BOY


My wife thinks I only have 3 guns