*NEW* Front Sight Members Check-In Here!

[Grumpyoldretiredcop]

I've been a member for years but won't be after February as it stands now. If I lived in the south end of NV instead of the north and could get there more easily, it might be worth it; but as it is, it's not worth paying a monthly "maintenance" fee. It's certainly not worth paying any of the other crazy fees, insurance, having to use FS ammo, etc. This reminds me of campground timeshare tactics... or the endgame of a collapsing Ponzi or real estate pyramid scheme. I especially love Piazza's blaming members and not his business decisions.

Like some others here, most likely, I have a number of memberships and classes that will be worthless after February. Luckily, I didn't put in the kind of cash that others have, either, so I won't be out enough to care. Way to keep your promises, Doc!

[tanks]

I am at FS now taking 4D shotgun. I had inquired about ammo. It is between 3X-4X of retail ammo. e.g. $30 for a box of birdshot.

That is gouging in my book. All ammo for 4 day shotgun would have cost $1,300, I bought it from Target Sports for $380 for the class.

I would never use a range that forced me to use their ammo and that goes double for FS.

[Muzz]

[Muzz]

Originally posted by W.R.Buchanan
“Why don't you sell the place to the richest members, and there are many. Both Trump Boys are members and could easily buy him out.”

TRUMP SITE! I love it!!

[Jason95357]

For those interested in legal action(s), I'd recommend joining this Facebook group:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/frontsightlawsuit

Group members are also storing in the files section related materials, like previous membership terms, etc., as well as archiving the emails annoncements related to this. Additionally, members are listing links like the Nevada AG and Nevada Consumer Affairs where official complaints can be lodged and may be investigated by government officials.

[Jason95357]

I really wouldn't have minded spending $600/year to maintain my membership. I have been out there about 3 times a year, so that still would have made it a fantastic value. Even if I only went once a year and took a 4-day class it would have been a great deal. Heck, many people spend that much or more for a gym membership that they never use.

But all the other added fees and new policies and continued shady practices mean no more for me.

The problem I have with an annual fee, even if we don't even go that year, is that it is very costly, especially for families with 4 or more memberships. We purchased are membership in 2012, but due to family obligations, jobs, etc, didn't make it out until 2016. Then didn't go again until 2018, and then 2020. $500/year/membership adds up really fast for those who aren't going 2-3 times a year.

I could see a $25/year membership maintenance fee, and then credit us that $25 toward the $50 background check for the years we go. That's reasonable. $50/month (or $41,67/month of prepaid annually) for nothing is pretty steep and just seems like a way to "expire" a bunch of "lifetime" memberships.

[eaglemike]

I'm hoping he'll find a way to back out of this. Key word is hoping.

He's created the situation he's in. I've been off the email list for a while, other than getting a weekly "we just hired more instructors - want to come work here?" type stuff. Given my investment, he's likely got some liability for not sending me the email about this.
I'm in the situation with an above poster - due to job and health, I've not been able to attend since a couple of serious upgrades years ago.
I'm in agreement with some above thinking the whole thing needs to be taken over by someone that can actually run a business. Who knows what Piazza will do in the future?
I never knew about his fund raising efforts and involving the PI's. That's a whole cluster and sending emails as alleged just doesn't seem very smart.
I wish us all success in finding a way though this mess.

[Sam1234]

Thanks! I dug up that email as well and saved a PDF copy of it. Thanks again.

Yes, you really will need a copy of the original email, not just a copy of the contents.

[EOD Master]

Yeah, I don't foresee another dime going to FS! I purchased a membership several years ago and have done a couple of upgrades since. Due to my work schedule, I haven't been able to attend any classes. Now I'm expected to pay a membership fee on top of that, or I lose everything? That's bull****, and he can go f*%@ himself!

[Vinnie Boombatz]

I have the email that lists all the stuff we were supposed to receive, if that helps you.

Thanks! I dug up that email as well and saved a PDF copy of it. Thanks again.

[Flamingo.central]

Thank You For Applying to Join the Order of the Knights
of Front Sight

Your application was sent to Front Sight, and a
confirmation email with exact details of your order was
sent to your email box. Please make sure
info@frontsight.com and newsletter@frontsight.com are in
your address book and/or allow list.

Your application will be personally reviewed and
approved by me, Dr. Ignatius Piazza, within 5 business
days. If for any reason, your application is not
approved, your payment will be refunded in full
immediately.


Order Information:

You Will Receive:

1. Your membership and membership card will be upgraded
to the title, Knight of Front Sight.

2. You will receive a Knight of Front Sight pin.

3. You will receive a Knight of Front Sight hat.

4. You will receive a customized Front Sight Knight
assisted, fast-opening, folding knife.

5. You will receive a customized Knights of Front Sight
1911 in .45ACP.

6. You will receive a full size, Knights of Front Sight
shield and sword.

7. You will have a separate e-mail with the
@FrontSightKnight.com designation.

8. You will receive regular, confidential e-mails from
me as part of the process of training you and your
fellow Knights of Front Sight.

9. You will be invited to personal training events and
Front Sight policy seminars that I, Knight #1, and
Brad Ackman, Knight #2, and Rick Green, Knight #3, and
Tim Larkin, Knight #4, will conduct for you and your
fellow Front Sight Knights.

10. You will have annual opportunities to rise within
the Order of the Knights of Front Sight to receive
greater and greater levels of status, honor, prestige
and leadership through your participation with your
fellow Knights and the Front Sight organization.

11. One Million Front Sight Patronage Points added to your
Front Sight Account.


Knight of Front Sight membership provides you with the
following additional benefits:

* Special Recognition on Front Sight's Lifetime Members'
Monument as one of the original Knights of the Order
of the Knights of Front Sight.

* Will Your Knight of Front Sight Status to a Deserving
Heir (Heir must be accepted by your fellow Knights to
enter the Order.)

* Access to purchase ammunition FOR LIFE at 20% OVER COST

* Purchase GUNS AT COST from Ammo Bunker and have them
shipped directly to your local Federal Firearms
Licensed Dealer.

* Schedule Private Training at Front Sight Nevada
accompanied by up to 9 guests, with one month advanced
notice.

* Attend ANY and ALL regularly scheduled Front Sight
Courses Free of Charge at ANY and ALL Front Sight
facilities now and any facilities we develop or
purchase in the future.

* Guaranteed placement in any regularly scheduled course
with two weeks advance enrollment...

* Receive a 40% savings on any products purchased from
the Front Sight Pro Shop at any and all Front Sight
facilities.

* Invitation to special Front Sight Knight ONLY weekend
and week-long training seminars featuring business and
Front Sight Policy Training personally provided by
Front Sight's Founder and Director, Dr. Ignatius
Piazza (Front Sight Knight #1), Curriculum and
Firearms Training personally provided by Front Sight
Director of Curriculum, Brad Ackman (Front Sight
Knight #2), Constitutional and Legal Training
personally provided by Attorney and Constitutional
Expert, Rick Green (Front Sight Knight #3) and
Hand-to-Hand Combat Training personally provided by
Target Focus Training's Founder and Director, Tim
Larkin (Front Sight Knight #4).

* Invitation to the Annual July 4th Front Sight Members'
Reunion Celebration.

* Invitation to attend the annual July 4th Front Sight
Advisory meeting.


Your application will be personally reviewed and
approved by me, Dr. Ignatius Piazza, within 5 business
days. If for any reason, your application is not
approved, your payment will be refunded in full
immediately.

HOW DO YOU GET YOUR GUN?

After your order is processed, we will mail you the
documentation of your purchase including the certificate
for the gun that you will then mail to our Program Guns
department along with a $50 check for the shipping of
each gun, and the Federal Firearms License information
of the Licensed Gun Dealer you wish us to ship your gun.
We will then place the order directly with the factory
or distributor and once received we will deliver the
guns to the Licensed Gun Dealer you selected for
transfer to you. Very simple and straightforward.

Thanks again for your participation in Front Sight's
phenomenal success!

Sincerely,

Dr. Ignatius Piazza
Founder and Director
Front Sight Firearms Training Institute

[Flamingo.central]

I have the email that lists all the stuff we were supposed to receive, if that helps you.

[Vinnie Boombatz]

Does anyone have a PDF copy of the description of the Knight membership upgrade with everything that was offered/included for the $1,997 upgrade from last year?

I need a copy of that to dispute the charge on my credit card. They are asking for a copy of the new terms after the restructuring and a copy of the terms of the Knight membership before the restructuring.

[Sam1234]

THIS!

Iggy called with a robo call this afternoon. Did not listen to his schtick. Did try to get transfered to a real person - no joy.

Was planning to go to FS in late April or early May with a group of about 7-10 but not now.

A BK, if necessary, may be preferable to this unilateral nonsense in that a judge or master would most likely require real business based solutions.

Perhaps Doctor P. should go back to his chiropractic business - especially if chiropractors have to abide by the Hypocratic Oath - first do no harm...

Now I feel slighted and unimportant. I didn't get any robo cals from the good Dr.

Im also had plans on a great road, camping, firearms trip with 8 to 15 people for May 6th from Idaho. We were about to consolidate who was going and get memberships for all those that needed them. Thank God I told everyone to hold off until the first or second week in Feb or I would have had to reimburse everyone for their memberships! Dodged a bullet there. Obviously the trip is off!

[Sam1234]

I sent this to Front Sight

This email is in response to your immoral, unethical and most important illegal unilateral attempt at nullifying an agreement / contract I have with Front Sight. I currently have a Front Sight lifetime membership with specified benefits. I do not acknowledge your authority to cancel this agreement / contract. I expect you to fulfill the terms of our contract. Should you choose to ignore this and proceed unilaterally, I will at my discretion reserve the right individually, or as part of a class action initiate any and all legal proceedings as deemed necessary to enforce the contract or be compensated for my loss.