Irvine/OC Training Spots?

[OCEquestrian]

Hey OCE, thank you for sharing that article.

I didn't read anywhere in the article about the Shooter who dropped his CZ Shadow being new to Competitive shooting. It reads as an innocent mistake? Thoughts are appreciated. Disclaimer: This is the only article I've read about the incident so don't know if there is other information floating around.

Hey A!

I read that, but interpreted it more as a mistake than an inexperienced shooter mistake. Mental lapses happen to professionals in all sorts of sports, maybe that's a poor analogy.

I was never claiming that it was or was not an new/inexperienced shooter involved in that accident as we don't know and either could have dropped a handgun. What I wanted to do, given the invitation to a new shooter to just come out to an IDPA match, was make the point that it can be a very dangerous activity if the competitor is un/under trained and nervous.

New shooters who do not have correct technique and a degree of muscle memory with regard to weapons manipulation are by definition a higher safety risk in a competition and anyone who tells a new untrained shooter to just "come on out and learn while shooting a match" is offering a new shooter poor advice and setting them up for failure, potentially a fatal failure. I believe in setting new shooters up for success which is why I am always emphasizing professional training as the best and quickest way to get a foundation in safety and weapons manipulation skills to begin a competitive shooting career. This holds doubly true for matches that were held at On Target... an indoor range with concrete floors. I believe that if that shooter dropped his gun onto a hard dirt deck of an outdoor range, that ND would not have happened.

[anthracite]

I was never claiming that it was or was not an new/inexperienced shooter involved in that accident as we don't know and either could have dropped a handgun. What I wanted to do, given the invitation to a new shooter to just come out to an IDPA match, was make the point that it can be a very dangerous activity if the competitor is un/under trained and nervous.

New shooters who do not have correct technique and a degree of muscle memory with regard to weapons manipulation are by definition a higher safety risk in a competition and anyone who tells a new untrained shooter to just "come on out and learn while shooting a match" is offering a new shooter poor advice and setting them up for failure, potentially a fatal failure. I believe in setting new shooters up for success which is why I am always emphasizing professional training as the best and quickest way to get a foundation in safety and weapons manipulation skills to begin a competitive shooting career. This holds doubly true for matches that were held at On Target... an indoor range with concrete floors. I believe that if that shooter dropped his gun onto a hard dirt deck of an outdoor range, that ND would not have happened.

My apologies OCE for misunderstanding your post. I thought you meant that it was a bad idea for a new shooter to attend a match due to the risk of them dropping the firearm and potentially causing a fatal accident.

I agree with everything you said.

[rodralig]

was make the point that it can be a very dangerous activity if the competitor is un/under trained and nervous...

I agree with everything you said.

Good morning T...!

Just to add from experience... OR - overextending one's self...

Here - my first DQ (and so far, only DQ *knock on wood*)...! I pushed my speed but lacked the experience in movement, like maneuvering through the shooting areas in USPSA. To be specific - even if I wasn't aware of that rule in USPSA that you can go outside the shooting area as long as you are not engaging the target I could have probably NOT gotten a DQ if I knew how to properly hold/position my handgun as I move from array to array.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=21772966&postcount=1

@OCEquestrian gave me hell for that...
Since then, I have learned my lesson. We now shoot together in matches and training classes...


Lessons to be learned? Learn from other's mistakes...

New shooters who do not have correct technique and a degree of muscle memory with regard to weapons manipulation are by definition a higher safety risk in a competition and anyone who tells a new untrained shooter to just "come on out and learn while shooting a match" is offering a new shooter poor advice and setting them up for failure, potentially a fatal failure.

A match is NOT the place to learn how to shoot accurately at speed, draw from the holster, to shoot while moving, to reload (preferably while moving) while engaging multiple targets at multiple distances from multiple positions and stances.

And even then - a newbie to a match is still a risk. A few weeks back, we had one Prado. I would say he was trained knowing how to draw from the holster, reload, etc. But the other shooters were giving tips/techniques how to manage the field course. How to move, be efficient, etc.

I had to step in - I told him that it was his FIRST match. There is nothing to rush here. I gave him only TWO (2) things to focus on the match - SAFETY and BE ACCURATE (shoot and hit the targets as he see them). Nothing more, nothing less.

Safety would include reminding him of the 4 Safety Rules and the 180-deg competition rule.

Be ACCURATE - make sure that he hits the target.

That's it... He wasn't DQed. And he finished 5/12 in his division, Production.

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[igs]

Yeah, according to On Target, they did away with the "Action Pistol" matches due to social distancing issues.

Any plans to bring it back?

[HKAllTheThings]

This discussion reminds me of shooter #2

https://youtu.be/iYGFDZkTWCk?t=78