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  • Fetterly Powders
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor/Vendor
    CGN Contributor
    • Feb 2014
    • 331

    New IMR 4166 tester needed

    Just got a bunch of this new powder. Kinda pricey].Seeing if someone local is willing to try [on me] and give some info on it. Preferably on at least 2 calibers and some different weights with a chrono. Cleanliness and metering also a concern. I just do not have the time and am still trying out 4064 loads. Thanks,
    Doug
    Says IMR, "IMR 4166. This fine, extruded propellant is the first in the series of Enduron Technology powders. The main features of the Enduron series are copper fouling eliminator, insensitivity to temperature changes, ideal loading density and being environmentally friendly. IMR 4166 is the perfect burn speed for cartridges like the 308 Win/7.62mm NATO, 22-250 Remington, 257 Roberts and dozens more. Positively, a versatile, match grade propellant."
    Douglas Fetterly
    Fetterly Powders & Optics
    (707)292-0800
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    dhagerty
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2013
    • 90

    I am not local to you but I have 2lbs coming for testing. will let you know how it works.
    Daniel Hagerty
    NRA life member
    IHMSA CA State Director
    IHMSA# 42084L
    IHMSA News Editor

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    • #3
      Mike402
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2012
      • 555

      Dhagerty, would you mind publicly posting your findings? I'd be interested in knowing how it works out as well - thanks!

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      • #4
        dwightlooi
        Member
        • Mar 2007
        • 460

        Originally posted by Fetterly Powders/Optics
        Just got a bunch of this new powder. Kinda pricey].Seeing if someone local is willing to try [on me] and give some info on it. Preferably on at least 2 calibers and some different weights with a chrono. Cleanliness and metering also a concern. I just do not have the time and am still trying out 4064 loads. Thanks,
        Doug
        Says IMR, "IMR 4166. This fine, extruded propellant is the first in the series of Enduron Technology powders. The main features of the Enduron series are copper fouling eliminator, insensitivity to temperature changes, ideal loading density and being environmentally friendly. IMR 4166 is the perfect burn speed for cartridges like the 308 Win/7.62mm NATO, 22-250 Remington, 257 Roberts and dozens more. Positively, a versatile, match grade propellant."
        Sounds like the CFE223. Which is my only rifle powder right now. I use it for 223 and 308. Difference I guess is that the CFE223 is a ball powder whereas this is apparently extruded. Ball meters better, but extruded tends to be single base. One thing I noticedd about the CFE223 is that it doesn't like to be loaded down. If you don't get the pressures high enough, it gets sooty. Run it hot though and it is clean and consistent.

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        • #5
          dhagerty
          Junior Member
          • Feb 2013
          • 90

          Originally posted by Mike402
          Dhagerty, would you mind publicly posting your findings? I'd be interested in knowing how it works out as well - thanks!
          will do!

          I am going to try it in the 308 and 243 Win and maybe the 223. along with some wildcats I shoot.
          Daniel Hagerty
          NRA life member
          IHMSA CA State Director
          IHMSA# 42084L
          IHMSA News Editor

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          • #6
            Spyder
            CGN Contributor
            • Mar 2008
            • 17153

            Doug, I'm local and can do some testing with a couple of calibers.

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            • #7
              J-cat
              Calguns Addict
              • May 2005
              • 6626

              I wanna be a tester, but I'm in the IE!

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              • #8
                Fetterly Powders
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor/Vendor
                CGN Contributor
                • Feb 2014
                • 331

                Will contact you Spyder.
                Doug
                Douglas Fetterly
                Fetterly Powders & Optics
                (707)292-0800

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                • #9
                  dhagerty
                  Junior Member
                  • Feb 2013
                  • 90

                  based on the load data I am seeing, this will have a burn rate somewhere between IMR 4064 and IMR 4320.

                  this should work perfectly when my 6.5x47 lapua is finished.
                  Daniel Hagerty
                  NRA life member
                  IHMSA CA State Director
                  IHMSA# 42084L
                  IHMSA News Editor

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                  • #10
                    toby
                    Banned
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 10576

                    Marketing strategies is all it is. IMO

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                    • #11
                      FLIGHT762
                      Veteran Member
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 3072

                      Originally posted by dhagerty
                      based on the load data I am seeing, this will have a burn rate somewhere between IMR 4064 and IMR 4320.

                      this should work perfectly when my 6.5x47 lapua is finished.
                      From the data I've looked at on the Hodgdon site for reloading 308 Winchester, IMR4166 seems to be in the 8208XBR / 4895 range.

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                      • #12
                        3RDGEARGRNDRR
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2011
                        • 900

                        Hmm. A couple of other enduron powders being offered as well. But slower than the 4166
                        CA: Exorcising my 2A rights

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                        • #13
                          dhagerty
                          Junior Member
                          • Feb 2013
                          • 90

                          I just got the official word concerning Burning Rates from IMR:


                          IMR 4166 has a burning rate almost the same as imr 4064

                          IMR 4451 is almost identical to Imr 4350

                          and IMR 7977 has a burning rate about the same as H1000
                          Daniel Hagerty
                          NRA life member
                          IHMSA CA State Director
                          IHMSA# 42084L
                          IHMSA News Editor

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                          • #14
                            Spyder
                            CGN Contributor
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 17153

                            I've got loads all ready to test in .223 for a bolt gun and an AR, and .308 for a POF P308...waiting on a sunny day when the chrono will work.

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                            • #15
                              Mike402
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2012
                              • 555

                              So basically it is being marketed as a 4064 replacement that offers less copper fouling and temperature sensitivity?

                              Originally posted by dhagerty
                              I just got the official word concerning Burning Rates from IMR:


                              IMR 4166 has a burning rate almost the same as imr 4064

                              IMR 4451 is almost identical to Imr 4350

                              and IMR 7977 has a burning rate about the same as H1000

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