Xtreme 230gr RN problem

[cptn2469]

What you fail to understand is my level of understanding.

I understand that a misadjusted seater die will close up the bell prematurely, dig the case mouth into the bullet while it's still being seated, and cause the copper to shave off.

So adding more bell won't help.

If like to hear from the OP to see what he did and what worked. Ultimately, it's about him and his predicament.

lmfao this a joke I give up. youve had idk how many people tell you the same thing that belling the case FIXED there problem but you still wont admit that belking the case will fix the problem. lmfao. your a tool.

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[J-cat]

lmfao this a joke I give up. youve had idk how many people tell you the same thing that belling the case FIXED there problem but you still wont admit that belking the case will fix the problem. lmfao. your a tool.

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You're real brave there behind your momma's keyboard.

[J-cat]

on a single stage press with you guiding the bullet up so that it is perfecrly straight you do not need to bell. but on a progressive press where holding the bullet is not always as simple as it is on a single stage press and sometimes without holding the bullet it will tilt

So hold the bullet with your left hand while pulling on the lever with your right and guide it into the seater die. The press has plenty of room.

[jonzer77]

So hold the bullet with your left hand while pulling on the lever with your right and guide it into the seater die. The press has plenty of room.

This doesn't make any sense on a progressive. Why slow down the process?

[cptn2469]

This doesn't make any sense on a progressive. Why slow down the process?

because hes a tool. instead of making things easier he wants to make things difficult.



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[cptn2469]

You're real brave there behind your momma's keyboard.

lol and here come the immature "momma" jokes eh? I dont see how what I said makes me brave. I called you a tool. you gonna "hit me" if we were in person for calling you a tool? lol. thats some funny stuff right there.

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[J-cat]

Anymore technical brilliance?

[J-cat]

lol and here come the immature "momma" jokes

It wasn't a yo momma joke. It was a comment about your maturity.

[p1choco]

Jcat I am having legitimate questions regarding your equipment. The first is about your sizing die or maybe your caliper. Your brass is .021" thick? Scratch that. Your ID measurement is a little off. You would need to measure higher up on the case mouth to get a more accurate reading. At almost .447", even if your case mouth were chamfered and polished, you would still start scraping copper. Unless your .4515-4525 bullets were boattailed. It's just not mechanically possible for your bullets to come out unscathed magic fairy or not. I have a pretty strong feeling your sizing die is on the larger size of your average die.

[J-cat]

Jcat I am having legitimate questions regarding your equipment. The first is about your sizing die or maybe your caliper. Your brass is .021" thick? Scratch that. Your ID measurement is a little off. You would need to measure higher up on the case mouth to get a more accurate reading. At almost .447", even if your case mouth were chamfered and polished, you would still start scraping copper.

No you wouldn't.

I seat 9mm bullets the same way in most brass without shaving as well.

The same goes for .40 S&W.

I measured higher and the ID was .448"

But your right, measuring the ID using a dial caliper is not the most accurate way of doing it.

Have you measured your .45 ACP sized case?

[J-cat]

This doesn't make any sense on a progressive. Why slow down the process?

It does not slow down the process.

[five.five-six]

I was having a hard time wrapping my mind around a "tight" seater. It's not so much that it's tight, its that it's not adjusted right.

Your seating die probably has a taper crimp built in to it. You need to read the instructions that came with the dies to adjust your crimp.

[sjb269]

FWIW,
I've been following the thread, I had made some assumptions based on what I had read and some of the back and forth going on here. BTW, I'd love to see some of the exchanges on this board take place face to face! I digress… I decided to try and seat a 230gr Rn Xtreme without flaring the case mouth. I was skeptical, Well I'll be damned…J-cat is on to something.
I am loading on a single stage, and yes I had to guide the bullet well into the die but I had ZERO copper shaved off when I pulled the bullet, and based on the force to pull the bullet, neck tension was right where it needs to be.
Am I converting over to the "no crimp" camp? Probably not, the time and additional precision it takes to guide the bullet so far into the die to avoid a problem or pinched finger might be time prohibitive. Nevertheless, No crimp will in fact work for me. And why hate on J-cat? He didn't throw the first stone, He added a compelling counterpoint to the conversation.

On second thought, if I skip the crimp, it might not be much more time after all.

[p1choco]

No you wouldn't.

I seat 9mm bullets the same way in most brass without shaving as well.

The same goes for .40 S&W.

I measured higher and the ID was .448"

But your right, measuring the ID using a dial caliper is not the most accurate way of doing it.

Have you measured your .45 ACP sized case?

I have not measured a sized case. Only once fired cases I still have. The average wall thickness was .12. I do remember that jacketed bullets would be on the verge of needed some flaring. Lead and Berry's plated required glaring. This is using a single stage press guiding bullets straight up. It was either flare or scrape. The same goes for my 357. And for any of the calibers I load, as long as I don't set my seating die to crimp, i will not get any copper scraped off.

[pdq_wizzard]

you need more cow bell