load data needed-cant find in my books

[gsc3zny]

I am loading 9mm. I have lead bullets 150 gr with cannalures. I have a Lyman 49th edition and A Lee 2nd edition guide and can find nothing for this specific bullet. The closest I could find for bullet weight is 147gr. Is there any difference between 147 and 150 as far as the load? I have the following powders to choose from
imr4227
clays hodgdon
tite group
alliant american select
winchester wsf

[Rimack]

3 grains shouldn't make much difference, as long as the load data is for a lead bullet like you are using. If anything you'd want to use a charge slightly lighter (.1-.2 grains) than the recommended load for the 147gr bullet.

You could check "http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/" also.

Wait for someone else to confirm my recommendation before you start loading, and as always start at 10% under max load and work up, looking for pressure signs, leading, etc.

Good luck!

[foxtrotuniformlima]

measure the diameter of them and make sure they are 0.355

If o, take the 147 loads, reduce by 15% and work up checking for pressure signs & verifying the expected velocities.

[stilly]

I am loading 9mm. I have lead bullets 150 gr with cannalures. I have a Lyman 49th edition and A Lee 2nd edition guide and can find nothing for this specific bullet. The closest I could find for bullet weight is 147gr. Is there any difference between 147 and 150 as far as the load? I have the following powders to choose from
imr4227
clays hodgdon
tite group
alliant american select
winchester wsf

IF It were me I would look at the load data for the 147gr XTP bullets and then start there. Maybe 3 gr of Tite Group or American Select. One of them liste 3.2 gr, I would start at maybe 10% less, so maybe start at 3.0 gr... BUT that is me.

[Rimack]

IF It were me I would look at the load data for the 147gr XTP bullets and then start there. Maybe 3 gr of Tite Group or American Select. One of them liste 3.2 gr, I would start at maybe 10% less, so maybe start at 3.0 gr... BUT that is me.

Hmm... The XTP is a jacketed bullet which can be pushed to higher velocities.

I'd be careful using XTP load data for a lead bullet. Just my opinion.

[dhagerty]

I guess it is time to buy some new manuals. I just noticed my Lyman cast bullet manual is 3rd edition dated 1980!

but I did find some data for you with a 147 Gr cast bullet in the hodgon 27th edition manual with the powders you listed:

the load lists between 3.7-4.1 Grs of WSF. primer they listed was Win SP primer.

hope this helps!

[gsc3zny]

Thanks to all, good info

[Ninask]

Here's a reference for 150 gr. lead bullet
"The bullet I used was the Lyman 358477, which is a 150 SWC fairly comparable to the RCBS 150-SWC. Given the square nose profile, you can easily get another 8 grians of bullet weight without causing problems.

I got to the load I used by running QuickLoad and looking for something that was low enough pressure, so that even if QL underpredicted the pressure by as much as 20%, I would still be in safe territory.

The seating depth for the 358477 is 0.384" and the OAL was 1.040", so there was still of lot of length available. This is important when switching to a 158 RN because it will likely require a much longer OAL. The max allowable OAL for the 9mm Luger is 1.169".

I used Power Pistol since I wanted one of the slower powders suitable for 9mm. I based the powder choice on the Lyman Pistol & Revolver 3rd Ed. list of powders for the 147 grain bullet. I based my starting and max loads on the pressure levels that Lyman used in the above manual.

The starting load was 3.0 grains of PP and the predicted pressure was 22.4 KSI. The max load was 3.3 grains of PP with a pressure of 29.4 KSI. As you can see you don't have much room within which to work when you use a bullet that heavy. However, that 29.4 KSI is still well below the SAAMI allowable +P pressure of 38.5 KSI. As I said earlier, I wanted to give myrself enough room in the pressures just in case QL missed the pressure predictions.

I used the 3.0 load and they worked just fine in my gun with one exception. Some 9mm barrels have very short leades and don't like bullets with parallel sides sticking out of the case very far. With the RN you mentioned, that may or may not be a problem depending on bullet design. I had one barrel that would not chamber these rounds with the SWC bullet. Also, the diameter of your chamber may not be sufficient to handle the diameter of the loaded rounds. vYou may have to spec the sized diameter as 0.356 instead of the more common 0.357 or 0.358 inches.

What you need to do is pick the bullet you want to work with and get the dimensions off it. You will need the OD, the overall length of the bullet and the seating depth you will use. Make up some dummy rounds to see if your gun will feed and chamber the loaded rounds and get the OAL for the assembled cartridge. With that info, it is possible to run QL to come up with a couple of powders that might work for you. "

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?44073-158-grain-LRN-9MM-Loads

[gsc3zny]

I'm going with 3g of WSF and see how that works. thx to all

[J-cat]

Maybe you should stick to 9mm specific bullets. Trying to cram a .358" revolver bullet deep in a 9mm case just so the round can chamber will bulge the case and make it stick. It is not a good idea. It can be done and has been done with thin walled 9mm brass, but you don't know which cases are appropriate for this.