585 HE -- Cases In Production--

[hubel458]

585 HE --- They Tested Super Strong --

If you've followed our work in the 12ga FH thread you've seen
our 585 HE cartridge and its development. We have barrels
of cases and more coming.

We have put it in all kinds of guns, and tested it with 650gr
bullet over 3000 fps as heavy load to test the brass, and also
for lighter game like deer and hogs and target fun we found
that some of 440gr- 540gr 58cal Minie bullets work great

First picture shows it next to 505 Gibbs, it has same overall
loaded length as a Gibbs. Holds up to 190gr ball powder.

Next pic is a barrel of cases

Third representative of types of guns we have it in.Ed

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[stilly]

I do not get it. Are you trying to sell these or something? Because if you are then you are IN THE WRONG FORUM...

But did I miss something here?

['ol shooter]

.444 Marlin and .45-70 is plenty big enough for me. Punish your shoulder if you must, and dream dreams of large African wildlife, that are already on the road to extinction at the hands of poachers using the existing cartridges. Peace.

[hubel458]

Just Posting info about the case. As for shooting the big five
most users(like 99.9%) will never get to do
that but are making big holes in targets and
moderate loadings for deer and hogs and other game..Ed

[longhairchris]

I love the insane stuff that OP posts. You and your buddies are nuts!

How are these not classified as destructive devices? I always wondered how one could own things like this. Sporting use exemption?

[hubel458]

Yes cartridge has sporting exemption we got years ago.
Just as legal to own as all other, weaker, over 50cal stuff.Ed

[hubel458]

We get asked about recoil. Guns are weighted a little, thick pads,
can be ported, use moderate loads, they shoot nice...And moderate
loads still much faster than 577NE. And can be had without costing a
years pay. Most local users(only 1 in 10000 hunters go Africa) can
shoot lighter .585 Minie bullets, which load for cheap,
once you have cases. Great for target fun, hogs, deer, etc... Cases
last forever. We can load to any power level we need or want.
Folks can get 100 cases, dies, barrel to put in something, as a package

Asked about #1, And perfect case for the Ruger #1.
The few #1s ever done in 577, they had to relieve
metal behind the action shoulders that breach block
rests against because of rim. Ours don't have to and the #1s
extractors I've seen work better with belted than big rimmed.
Ours holds more powder, cases built for extreme pressures.Ed

[Whiterabbit]

I do not get it. Are you trying to sell these or something? Because if you are then you are IN THE WRONG FORUM...

But did I miss something here?

You missed nothing. Hubel is a standup guy, you can leave him alone.

Hubel, I see your posts on several forums. Once again, I want to tell you I love your work. Please keep doing what you are doing!

I sent a barrel off the pacnor, I had to stay with what I assume is a cheaper 378 weatherby case. but had I known about this work bduring EARLY planning stages of my own rifle, I might have reconsidered! Is your brass gonna be under the $4 a pop mark?

[hubel458]

Cases are not much for each including shipping. with a Minimum of
25 cases for that so we can afford shipping.
A package deal we set up, has a 100 cases,
die set, barrel, cheap..Ed

[Whiterabbit]

That's an embarrassment. For me. That's less than I'm gonna be paying at the end of the day to get set up for 510 wells, I don't have brass yet, and nice brass is gonna cost me about 4 bucks a pop, $2 a pop on gunbroker for 460 weatherby once fired.

I should have waited 4 weeks to get my barrel done. Assuming you could work with a CZ550.

Oh dear, doubly embarrassing. This would go ever so nicely next to my 58 cal flintlock. I bet that case half full of trailboss with a 58 cal round ball would do just nicely too. If I could get the ball slow enough....

[hubel458]

Cz 550 works good as they put 505 Gibbs in them,
the ones they set up as a super magnum, and
any gun that feeds Gibbs will do ours.

Maybe mull it over, you could probably sell that barrel if chambered
and profiled for enough to buy half 2/3 of our goodies.
Like sell to some of guys a Accurate Reloading.
Or we could rig you up something later on.
We got good deal on cases and barrels.

And if you love the smell of black you can put 4 black powder
pellets in under a Minie bullet. Along with our 12ga sabots
that take 58 cal Minies, I'm telling everyone
that 58cal in all forms is where it is at.....Ed

[hubel458]

Case doesn't need special made shellholder, number 31 RCBS fits fine.
It is a straight belted case that holds up to 190gr of doublebase powder.
Powder need not be like charcoal, IE, really slow powder, as necked
needs. So it has effiencies of 37-39%, where necked cases are
about 29%. Here is one done in a Savage..



The loads tested at high pressures about 65,000 psi, when extracting, the
weight of the bolt after opening pulled cases out. We've fired moderate
loads in singleshots that we mono-blocked barrels into and the cases fall
out after firing. Here are couple a nice singles with 585HE in them.





Cases are made super strong, in the same factory run as the super
high pressure Cheytac cases. The base of our case is same size ahead of
belt as Cheytac/Gibbs bases. Done with same cups and draws, just uses
a different header, bunter, and sizer. Here is picture of the one we made
and the factory one sectioned showing the strong built inside corners.
These are not balloon head junk cases.



We and CH4D have die sets, Manson makes reamers, and we have some.
Reamer specs all set and the chambers made with them, the cases
extract at the highest pressures.
Here is pic of one we set with 585HE in a Greener GP.Ed

[hubel458]

WE get asked about whether the 585HE is a DD due to being
over 50 cal, and no it is not, as we applied for and got a
sporting cartridge exemption few years ago.

First picture is base view of cases new and old. On the left is
4 new ones that come with no headstamp that I stamped,
and the 6 new ones in the middle has a 585 stamp.
We got a barrel full without stamp and guys can wildcat
them and put their own stamp on..

Second is side view with some in # 31 holders.No special
holders needed. .Notice how uniform belts are on the new
shiny ones. Dark ones are ones I made years ago.

Third is one with AP bore rider bullet in with others
behind. Maybe make a great long range target cartridge.
Got a guy setting up one with long heavy barrel for that.







Here is picture of 585HE with 700gr HP CEB bullet and 750 gr
wide meplat CEB bullet..Ed

[Whiterabbit]

We got a barrel full without stamp and guys can wildcat
them and put their own stamp on..

Oh, you are killing me. I bet necked to .510 you could match 50 BMG ballistics.

[hubel458]

Not quite a BMG match necked down, as it would be less case capacity,
and quite a bit less efficiency, it would get about 90% speed which
gives 81% of the energy. But if necking ia a reason for using long range
50cal bullets you can get real streamlined 585 bullets from Barnes.Ed