stupid question - lead ammo

[Michael_Js]

OK, I know about the lead ammo ban for hunting etc...

however, we are not allowed to shoot metal ammo outdoors due to fire issues. I was at an IDPA Clinic today, and got a big no-no for have FMJ ammo.

Where do I find lead ammo, and what it is called? I'm not sure what to look for and when I search for lead ammo, all I'm getting is lead-free ammo!

that doesn't help

Is this non "steel" - Ammo .45 ACP PMC Bronze 230 Grain FMJ 50 Round Box 830 fps

Sorry for the dumb question...

Thank you

[Off the Roster]

I believe you are looking for something like this: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/179...ead-round-nose if you can find it. You can also try finding someone who reloads to help you out - components are starting to resurface again.

Real bronze is copper and tin but idk about the ammo you posted. Steel will be attracted to a magnet - a good, cheap, and fast tester.

[tiller]

A no no to have fmj? That's EVERY WHERE and all the factory ammo is.

I would have told whoever said that to kick rocks unless they were suppling the ammo...


Doesn't make sense

[Michael_Js]

It's a $5K plus fine to use metal outdoors - I think that's how the recent fire by Mt. Diablo started. I was told that by the RO and most people knew about it.

Thanks Chickshooter...I'll for something like that!

Thanks!

[tiller]

It's a $5K plus fine to use metal outdoors - I think that's how the recent fire by Mt. Diablo started. I was told that by the RO and most people knew about it.

Thanks Chickshooter...I'll for something like that!

Thanks!

Never heard of such a thing... I'm always shooting outdoors "and shoot metal"

I'm always in the forest and shoot steel.. I don't see what the problem would be?

[Whiterabbit]

last time I checked, lead is metal.

don't get me wrong, I get that any time a fire is started by a guy with a gun or a smoker, the media is gonna crucify him if they are able. But if metal is illegal to shoot outdoors, thered be major 2A issues about it.

[Enfield47]

Michael, I believe what you mean to say is that you can't shoot bi-metal jacketed bullets due to fire hazards. Any bullet that attacts a magnet is bi-metal or has a steel core. I don't believe the lead ammo ban goes into affect for a few years. At its heart, AB711 is an attemp to gain more gun control by banning most bullets.

Are you looking for pistol or rifle ammo? The .45 ammo you listed is fine. My rule of thumb is to avoid Russian and former commie bloc countries (except Yugoslavia) because their ammo tends to be bi-metal jacketed. Living in So. Cal. our ranges typically don't allow any am that attracts a magnet, so I buy ammo from known sources that I can shoot without issues.

[robertkjjj]

My story: I had planned a nice 5-day expensive hunting trip in Central CA for later this year. But, due to this bill AB711, and many other anti-gun/anti-hunting bills, I have changed my plan, and am now going hunting in Arizona instead. So, AZ gets all the following money from me: my expenses for hotel, rental truck, ammo, restaurant and groceries, gas, hunting license, game tags, and other expenses. And, CA gets none of it. Period.

I'm going to track what I spend in AZ, and then send a nice FAX to Jerry Brown so he gets an example of this one hunter's trip.

I suggest other CA hunters do the same. Take your hunting trip to states where your guns, ammo, and hunting are welcome. Go to Arizona, Utah, or even Oregon. All 3 states have much more reasonable laws, plenty of wild areas where you can hunt, and none of these absurd ammo laws.

[tiller]

My story: I had planned a nice 5-day expensive hunting trip in Central CA for later this year. But, due to this bill AB711, and many other anti-gun/anti-hunting bills, I have changed my plan, and am now going hunting in Arizona instead. So, AZ gets all the following money from me: my expenses for hotel, rental truck, ammo, restaurant and groceries, gas, hunting license, game tags, and other expenses. And, CA gets none of it. Period.

I'm going to track what I spend in AZ, and then send a nice FAX to Jerry Brown so he gets an example of this one hunter's trip.

I suggest other CA hunters do the same. Take your hunting trip to states where your guns, ammo, and hunting are welcome. Go to Arizona, Utah, or even Oregon. All 3 states have much more reasonable laws, plenty of wild areas where you can hunt, and none of these absurd ammo laws.

^^^^^ this is a fantastic idea

[Whiterabbit]

I don't believe the lead ammo ban goes into affect for a few years. If it is signed by the governor. it is not law yet. call, fax, and email Governor Brown.

Fixed that for you.

[stilly]

It's a $5K plus fine to use metal outdoors - I think that's how the recent fire by Mt. Diablo started. I was told that by the RO and most people knew about it.

Thanks Chickshooter...I'll for something like that!

Thanks!

WHAT???

NO. Codes please.

^^^^^ this is a fantastic idea

Well that beats my idea. I was just gonna text him funny photos of my junk...

[Mssr. Eleganté]

There has been a huge terminology disconnect in your communications with your local range. This might be their fault, it might be your fault, or it might be a combination of the two.

You need to contact the range and ask them a few basic questions...

Can I shoot FMJ ammo if the bullet does not attract a magnet?
Can I shoot steel cased ammo if the bullet does not attract a magnet?
Can I shoot soft point ammo even if the bullet attracts a magnet?

The way your post reads now is like saying "My friend says he will come over for dinner but he doesn't eat any meat, he only eats beef. Does anybody know where I can find some non-red food for my friend to eat because red food is meat? He also won't eat any meat vegetables but he will eat vegetable meats."

It doesn't make any sense. Lead ammo is metal. Non-steel ammo is metal. Full metal jacket ammo isn't always steel, but it is always metal. Soft-point ammo often has partial steel jackets.

You need to get some clarification from your range.

[tiller]

WHAT???

NO. Codes please.




Well that beats my idea. I was just gonna text him funny photos of my junk...

Lmao!!! Another brilliant idea!

[Michael_Js]

Thanks for the info...I guess I got flustered when I was told I couldn't shoot all the ammo I had brought! My mind shut down after that so I don't have specifics. I will be calling the Pala IDPA range and ask specifically what I can and cannot shoot.

Thank you...
Michael J.

['ol shooter]

You can't shoot plated bullets? I have recovered plated bullets after firing, and don't see anything that could spark a fire. They flatten out just as well as plain lead, from what I can see. Hmmm...