.45 Shooters Need Help

[tankerman]

Sorry I only shoot REAL 45

45 LONG COLT.

Since you shoot the round so much, I'm surprised you don't know it's REALLY not called 45 Long Colt. The round is called 45 Colt, period.

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The only way I know to replicate factory loads is use the same powder they use, which may not be available commercially. I have found if you use a 230 or 200 gr RN and 231 pwder, you can use 5.2-5.6 grains and be safe. You should load a dummy round and see which OAL feeds well in your pistol. I use Bear Creek 200gr SWC with an OAL of 1.230. It feeds perfectly in my Para, Kimber, and XD-45 Tactical. My .02

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Since you shoot the round so much, I'm surprised you don't know it's REALLY not called 45 Long Colt. The round is called 45 Colt, period.

Original name
The designation ".45 Long Colt" originated amongst military personnel to prevent confusion with the smaller .45 Schofield. It has become a widely used alternative name for the cartridge, and adopted by Colt for use in designating the chambering in its own Single Action Army revolvers.

Thats a difference of opinion. One which you have not learned i guess. If there was only one 45 then it would possibly be the 45 colt. however with 45 Acp, 45 Schofield, 454 Casull. Then putting them all side by side. Except for the little 45acp. The others could be grabed hastidly incorrect. Thus the 45 Colt is now Refered to as the 45 Long Colt.

Oh yes you are right i do shoot a lot of 45 Long Colt and i know the history and usefullness of the round. Thank you.

[CSACANNONEER]

Since you shoot the round so much, I'm surprised you don't know it's REALLY not called 45 Long Colt. The round is called 45 Colt, period.

The round originally was called 45 Colt. Today, even Colt calls it 45 Long Colt.

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I have an empty ammo can to put all this stuff in.....But no loaded ammo.
I did find some interesting info I wanted to share.

Specifications of the original military loading of the .45 ACP

DimensionsMinimumMaximumOverall Length1.256"1.266"Bullet Length.657".667"Bullet Diameter.451".451"Case Head.4718".4734Case Mouth.4672".4732" (.4730" standard)Case Length.892".898"

BallisticsBullet Weight230 grain (14.9 grams)Bullet TypeFMJBallistic Coefficient.195Muzzle Velocity830 feet per secondEnergy at 25 yards350 foot-poundsEffective Range100 yardsMid-Range Trajectory1.6 @ 50 yards

Exterior ballistics

Maximum rangeIn pistol, 1,600 yards.
In submachine gun, 1,700 yards.Pressure 4,000 pounds per square inch. Velocity, Pistol@ 25.5 feet, 820 feet per second.
@ Muzzle, 825 feet per second.Velocity, Submachine Gun @ 25.5 feet, 885 feet per second.
@ muzzle, 990 feet per second. Muzzle energy329 foot-pounds Ball, pistol.
383 foot-pounds in submachine gun.

Accuracy with muscle test
mean variations for several targets
Range Mean Radii Yards Inches 25 0.86 50 1.36 75 2.24

Penetration in white pine

Range Depth Yards Inches 25 6.0 100 5.5 250 4.0

The penetration in moist loam at 25 yards is about 10 inches. The penetration in dry sand at 25 yards is about 8 inches.
Table of fire

Range Time of flight Drop Deflection due
to drift1 Yards Seconds Inches Inches 10 0.037 0.3 0.1 20 .75 1.1 .2 30 .113 2.4 .3 40 .151 4.4 .4 60 .229 9.9 .8 80 .308 18 1.3 100 .388 28 2.0

1 Drift id to the left. Based on a velocity of 800 feet per second, 25 feet from muzzle.

[buffybuster]

The round originally was called 45 Colt. Today, even Colt calls it 45 Long Colt.

The was actually for a brief period the 45 Short Colt. Not 45 Schofield but actually 45 Short Colt. Basically the Schofield case with the smaller 45 Colt rim. This was developed in an effort to steamline and standardize a 45 cartridge that would function in both the Colt and Schofield revolvers that were in the military inventory at the time. The 45 Colt would not function in the Schofield revolvers due to the OAL being too long for the cylinder. The 45 Schofield would not fit in the Colt cylinder because the rims would overlap. Thus the 45 Short Colt was created.

Only problem was that it didn't quite work. The 45 Colt rim is quite small and sometimes it would slip off the star extractor of the Schofield revolver and the round would get caught under the extractor. That could be a major problem if it happened at the wrong time....

The 45 Short Colt died, the Schofield revolvers were sold off (many to Wells Fargo) and everyone went back the the 45 "Long" Colt.

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i heard the 45 short was actually called the 45 governement there is an article on it on lasc.

here it is

http://www.lasc.us/TaylorLongShort45Colt.htm

And Colt does refer to it as the 45 Long Colt

http://www.coltsmfg.com/cmci/revolvers.asp