.45 Shooters Need Help

[diginit]

Now that We've got your attention, We are .45 Shooters-And we need Help. We wanted to match the 45 acp 230 gr. WWB round since they shoot well in my Kimber TLE II 1911 .45 ACP ,5" barrel. Then play with the oal later. I pulled one and found 4.4 gr. of powder. Seems pretty weak. Maybe thats why they're so dirty? It seems that most shooters like 5.0 grs. with a 230gr. FMJ. Does Winchester use the 231 Ball Powder in the WWB? Since I already have a half lb and a couple thousand cases, I wanted to try it.
Here's Winchesters:
230 GR. HDY FMJ FP Winchester 231 .451" 1.200" 4.2 751 13,800 CUP 5.3 832 16,800 CUP NEVER EXCEED MAXIMUM LOADS
We have another recipe That runs:
Starting 4.8gr and a max of 5.1gr. That seems more realistic to me.

Since I didn't want to go to the range with a bunch of rounds that won't cycle, or that will throw the slide at me, I thought I'd ask for a couple more practiced recipes for 230gr and 200gr FMJ RN. Or others that 1911's feed on. Have A Great Day!

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Sorry I only shoot REAL 45

45 LONG COLT.

[Army GI]

Sorry I only shoot REAL 45

45 LONG COLT.

It's only real if you shoot it with Holy Black

[Kruzr]

WWB used to be 231 (or H38 same stuff) but I don't know now. WWB is a 230 gr. RN FMJ not a flat point so the OAL will be longer.

Most factory 230 gr. RN is loaded to 1.260 or so. Naturally, this will affect the pressure. The only way to try to duplicate a factory load is to chrono that load and make up a range of loads to try to see which is the closest. Bear in mind that this may not be the most accurate load for your gun. That is another trial and error exercise.

When I work up a new load, I start low and load 20 rounds each of different weights of powder working up by .2 gr. within the limits shown in the data. It's easy to do with a progressive press, just turn the knob a bit and load 20 more. I always load at the same lengths. 200 gr. SWC at 1.250 and 230 gr. RN at 1.262 OAL.

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It's only real if you shoot it with Holy Black

I DO

3f Goex

[Army GI]

What bullets do you use? Are those Big Loobe or SPG?

I've been looking for some RN bullets, but the only ones I can find are RNFP.

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Oh and i shoot it from this.

top is .44 7 inch barrel colt 1851

Bottom Colt Walker. 16 inches long 9 1/2 inch barrel 4 1/2 lbs. Shoots .44 round balls with 55 grains of black powder. Then take the cylinder off, put in my R&D cylinder then it shoots 45 Long Colt.



Tell you what though. When i load it full to the brim with either 777 or 4f Goex. People tend to take notice. I shot this next to a guy shooting a 500 S&W. People thought we were shooting the same thing. The booom though is a different sounding though. Then that huge pufffff of smoke that comes out.

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Cast my own. The Wad cutters are 300 grain. The round nose are 228 grain. lee part number 90351 That mold is really sweeet. The wad cutters they dont make that mold anymore. At least not in a 300

The lube i do use is SPG lube. this stuff is especially formulated for black powder though. i have also used it in smokeless seems to work so so.

http://blackpowderspg.com/store/lubepage.html

[diginit]

That conversion is Sweet. Been droolin' over a blackhawk for a while. But I like the rapid fire. If ya can't drop 'em with one-try a few more.

http://s270.photobucket.com/albums/jj107/diginit/?action=view&current=Gotit.flv

The oal of the Win BBW is 1262. That's my starting point. If you checkout the vid, You'll see there are no chambering issues with 230gr RN at this oal. The 200gr SMC's may prove differently. I'll have to find out.

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nice try this one out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2N6FoKB4a0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRP4Sdt7jNM&feature=related

[bohoki]

is the 228 gn round better than the 230?

here are the molds i was looking at

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&ammoGroup=0&brand=&prodID=LEE90359

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&ammoGroup=0&brand=&prodID=LEE90351

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=LEE90346

i just got the tumble lube one havent heated up the lead but the tiny grooves make sense to me for more lube contact

[Blwnbwtie]

This isnt a factory load, but its a nice light target load. 185gr LSWC with 3.5gr of bullseye at 1.260 OAL. Runs great in my rock island 1911 tactical.

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is the 228 gn round better than the 230?

here are the molds i was looking at

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&ammoGroup=0&brand=&prodID=LEE90359

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&ammoGroup=0&brand=&prodID=LEE90351

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=LEE90346

i just got the tumble lube one havent heated up the lead but the tiny grooves make sense to me for more lube contact

the 90351 is a better mold. Lee always says you do not have to size the bullets. i always size the bullets. all it takes is a little bit of lead or something to get inbetween the molds or you dont have them aligned right and the bullet will come out better. The other round nose bullet they list is a tumble lube bullet. if you size that bullet and it just so happens to be a little big. You will loose all of the rings. They just are not deep enough. The rings are important as they are the lube rings. The big 300 is awesome. Great for target shooting as it puts perfect holes in paper. Almost like if you used a hole punch. I like the 90351 228 grain and the 300 grain. I thought they stopped making the 300 grain. Guess i was wrong. Very good molds. Shoots really good in 45 long colt. Im not too sure how well the 300 grain would be in a 45acp. may be a little to big as the bullet is pretty tall.

[diginit]

I think I'd have to get a heavier recoil spring to fire a 300 gr. bullet. And with the carbide dies I don't need any lube. 200 and 230 are the most recommended bullet weights for the 45 acp. I may try 185 gr,since my Federal hydroshocks are of that weight and shoot fine. Which,by the way, have 6.4 gr. of ????? powder with a oal of 1204. How's bullseye different than 321? We still need a clean powder.
I prefer the jacketed rounds to avoid the aspects of lead. So I don't think I'll be casting soon.
It must be fun to shoot the 300's.
Cool vids. You ever shoot holding the camera for a shooters view?
http://s270.photobucket.com/albums/j...current=MK.flv

[Californio]

My plink load which works in a Gold Cup, Commander and XD45 is

Plated RN 200 or 230gr W231 5.3gr.

No function problems and its clean enough for me.