I.E. Reloading Workshop

[stilly]

Pretty much have everything... Waiting for my case trimmer and primer pocket reamer. Should have by Jan. 5th.

So, if I can make the next one, do I bring everything and learn or do I just pay and learn on the prof's stuff?

I need to learn reloading for .338LM and .30-06.

I've got 2lbs of H1000, magnum primers and plenty of brass.

I'll go to Anaheim or an I.E. Class. Makes no difference to me.

You bring yourself and maybe a book or two if you have any questions. Bring your attention and a sense of humor and sit back to enjoy the ride. Oh yeah, and DO bring a pad of paper and a pen in case you wanna take notes (You will be the first to do that though at the IE location) and I aint making fun of anyone who wants to take notes because we all learn differently, but we burn through things kinda quickly and then most of it is showing things and being physical, it just seems that taking notes will slow you down. PLUS, this is reloading, not rocket surgery. It is more of an ART than a science.

If they are gonna do 30.06 then I say bring your brass. - As a matter of fact, I DID misspeak and I do not want to correct it up there so I will correct it here, Bring your BRASS too. We do not always have extra weird calibers like 30.06 for people to use and even so, that caliber is special so neck sizing is prolly what needs to be done with it, not full length sizing. And yes, all calibers that are not 38/357/40/380/44/10/9 are weird to me...

Bronco just get a date and I will give you yay or yay...

Seeing as how I no longer work at the gun store (Yo ho yo ho the I.S. life for me!) my Sundays are free. And Bullseye Sport in Riverside is still a good place to go, BUT Ammo Bros. is opening up down near the Galeria so this will be interesting.

[BigBronco]

I am in the process of scheduling and readying to announcing a class at Relolad in Anaheim on the 18th of January.

[deadsled65]

I'm in for an I.E class.

[stilly]

Is that Ie or OC then?

[GEEKMEDIC]

I would drive over from Phoenix for an I.E. class. That wouldn't be too long of a trip for me. I am loading 9mm right now, but want to start loading .308 and know I'm in over my head there. I would like to get with some knowledgeable loaders to pick their brains. This class sounds like a great opportunity.

[bikr4jc]

Im still in... IE

[BigBronco]

I have begun working on contacting Riverside indoor shooting rage as a possible location for the IE workshop. Those of you that shoot there may want to chat with the management and help further the idea. They have opened up to the idea, posibly if there is interest from customers it will go a long way.

[GeeZer81]

Interested and will attend.

[stilly]

I have begun working on contacting Riverside indoor shooting rage as a possible location for the IE workshop. Those of you that shoot there may want to chat with the management and help further the idea. They have opened up to the idea, posibly if there is interest from customers it will go a long way.

Careful with them.

I talked to Magnum Range but that place was rather small and they wanted like $50 or $90 an hour I think, That was prelim though. You might be able to get them to drop the rates a LOT and make it worth it.


As for the new range that opened over on Sterling, well, that place might have something to do with Warrior One I think. I am not certain, but W1 has gotten a sour reputation from a few folks that I have talked to. And by sour I mean W1 is a store that is getting to be known for being a bunch of dicks with overpriced **** that will cost you an arm and a leg and a left nut, well, not all of your left nut, just a scrape or two. I hope I am wrong, but I have seen how they treat you if you are not a know it all who has money sticking out of your pocket.

I could very well be wrong about the range, I think there were some Monthly shoots in the Riverside chapter there and they seemed to be pretty decent people but nobody that I knew Fighter Pilot did not show up so I did not go, but I read about the things online. They did not realyl say anything bad about a range in Riverside. I do NOT think it was the magnum range.

Anyways, my place is still available if you strike out. There is also a place in Rancho Cucamonga on the 9000 block of 9th called Rancho Magnum Range and I think I saw some good things about them, but I am not certain, it WAS yelp that I was reading so who knows who paid who to say what...

[mark501w]

Stilly' place worked fine the last time. I'll help if it's that close.

[Darryl Licht]

Careful with them.

I talked to Magnum Range but that place was rather small and they wanted like $50 or $90 an hour I think, That was prelim though. You might be able to get them to drop the rates a LOT and make it worth it.


As for the new range that opened over on Sterling, well, that place might have something to do with Warrior One I think. I am not certain, but W1 has gotten a sour reputation from a few folks that I have talked to. And by sour I mean W1 is a store that is getting to be known for being a bunch of dicks with overpriced **** that will cost you an arm and a leg and a left nut, well, not all of your left nut, just a scrape or two. I hope I am wrong, but I have seen how they treat you if you are not a know it all who has money sticking out of your pocket.

I could very well be wrong about the range, I think there were some Monthly shoots in the Riverside chapter there and they seemed to be pretty decent people but nobody that I knew Fighter Pilot did not show up so I did not go, but I read about the things online. They did not realyl say anything bad about a range in Riverside. I do NOT think it was the magnum range.

Anyways, my place is still available if you strike out. There is also a place in Rancho Cucamonga on the 9000 block of 9th called Rancho Magnum Range and I think I saw some good things about them, but I am not certain, it WAS yelp that I was reading so who knows who paid who to say what...

There are some rumors here regarding both W1 and RISR. They are affiliated, yes. We had about 6-8 of our CGSSA monthly shoots at RISR and I found it to be a very nice facility. I have been a customer of both and never have I had a bad experience at either.

RISR has a large facility with lots of space to hold a class such as this, and they are receptive to the idea. I have spoken with Tom and other employees regarding such a class expressing my interests.

W1 has donated items for giveaways at our monthly shoots and also for the recent SSZS. I find the owners Mike and Norris to be standup guys who care about their business, their customers, and their reputation!

W1 isn't a typical one stop gun shop, they are more of a specialty gun shop and they tend to carry more exotic (read expensive) items than other local shops.

Stilly I know where you used to work and I frequent that shop the most as it is my neighborhood shop, but I also like W1 for what they are. I wish people here would stop spreading negative rumors from secondhand info about any shops!

[stilly]

There are some rumors here regarding both W1 and RISR. They are affiliated, yes. We had about 6-8 of our CGSSA monthly shoots at RISR and I found it to be a very nice facility. I have been a customer of both and never have I had a bad experience at either.

RISR has a large facility with lots of space to hold a class such as this, and they are receptive to the idea. I have spoken with Tom and other employees regarding such a class expressing my interests.

W1 has donated items for giveaways at our monthly shoots and also for the recent SSZS. I find the owners Mike and Norris to be standup guys who care about their business, their customers, and their reputation!

W1 isn't a typical one stop gun shop, they are more of a specialty gun shop and they tend to carry more exotic (read expensive) items than other local shops.

Stilly I know where you used to work and I frequent that shop the most as it is my neighborhood shop, but I also like W1 for what they are. I wish people here would stop spreading negative rumors from secondhand info about any shops!

Well that is good to hear. And I TOTALLY AGREE with THAT statement. They were the most snootiest of the shops around Riverside a few years ago right after they first opened. My friend and I were like, hey let's check them out. Then we saw that they picked up one or two of the guys from Centerfire one of the guys was the guy who had hard-ons for talking about breeding fighting pitts. Yeah I said it, he even had the decals on his truck. But let's leave his personal life out of it... He is also a pushy sales guy, tried to push about $30+ worth of accessories onto my friend when he bought his contender from Centerfire. Just picked up some things and added them to the pile. They were not purchased of course, but we did not care for that kind of aggressive salemanship. I don't care who the hell you THINK you are, you do not toss **** into MY pile of stuff because you SAY I need it. But good for him for being a salesman, he belongs at an H1 dealership...

THEN there was the transition to W1. We went in there and recognized him off the bat. Turners had a PTR-91 for $1299 but they had it for $1359 and said that was the best price around. So I went to Bright Spot Pawn off the 60 about 10 minutes away and got one for $1189. I asked about their Remington 887 and they kinda blew me off, kinda hesitant to show it to me and really just expected me to know everything about it and KNOW more than I cared to know about other guns I did not care much about, I saw a lot of magpul crap and expensive ladder covers and overall in general their accessories were pricey and cost more than any of the other stores. Most people might jack up retail prices about 35%-45%
but they seemed pretty good in the $40%-50% range. We asked if the one guy was from Centerfire and he said yeah but he left them (or did they fire him- if so it could have been because of his aggressiveness and not matching their corporate culture (lol!)) But then they all started talking **** on Centerfire and saying what a ****ty store it was and all. Yeah we got that, irritated because they were dumped from a gun store and now they worked at a new gun store so they were just gonna talk **** on everyone else... And let me point out that just because you have the highest prices does NOT mean your **** is exotic... Especially if your inventory is similar to another store, but you are just more higher priced than them by 20% or more...

While working at the OTHER gunstore I took in a lot of complaints. Yeah I was the computer guy, but I sold guns and helped out customers and talked with a lot of folks- especially while doing inventory on the floor and asking folks if they needed any help in locating something (NEVER heard of that happening at W1) 75% of the complaints and comments I heard from customers were that those guys were arrogant dicks. The other 25% said that they had no interest in their guns so they were bringing them to us. While I might agree blindly with the first 75% of people, the other 25% were offbase in their complaints. W1 is NOT a typical gun store, they are a BLACK RIFLE EXCLUSIVE store. If a model comes with wood furniture, they will not carry that entire brand... I think they are allergic to wood! They deal with plastic and metal PERIOD and they certainly have no interest in buying old beat to hell crap from old farts that think their **** is worth 6x that of the blue book value... Folks need to learn that SENTIMENTAL has NO VALUE in buying and selling guns to strangers.
They are not any THREAT to my former store. For the record, Cold War Shooters was similar in nature, off the 30 freeway near/in highland. I bought a $700.xx AK rifle from them. Yeah I overpaid, but they were cool and showed me other firearms they had. I do not think they lasted, but they were cool. Oh and I am adding that I bet W1 works on commission. THAT would explain a lot because at my former store, we did not have commission. But, The owner was still pushing us to sell. He told me several times that my job is to sell the gun, not give my opinion even if they ask, keep it short and sweet. Nobody cares about what I think; they just want to feel good about their gun purchase.

I will give W1 this though, the OTHER things we heard about them were mainly from the police. The police would be in to our gun store all the time talking about W1 and how they have just gotten hit again and this is the MO and all. I applaud those guys for still having the balls to stick it out where they are, 172 yards from the freeway with a straight shot if you blow through the two lights... They got balls to sit there and be a target of opportunity for all the bangers from MO VAL who think they can come to Riverside and try to knock over OUR local gun stores. Glad nobody got hurt (that I know of) and glad they stuck it out, but their store was a weird setup as well. I guess they thought being setup across from a cop uniform store would make them safer. Meanwhile, our store has a guy manning the turrets all day every day. That is all that he does mainly.

Centerfire is a joke. They are NOT competition to my former gun store. They have a defeatist attitude and I walked in and asked for mags for a G-42, a 22/45 Lite and a P320 and they said those were all illegal in CA. I almost corrected them but I figured it was their store, ****-em, who cares... A cripple can get jammed up trying to come into their store in a wheelchair and give them an OSHA violation. They downsized and moved across the post office into a space about 1/2 of the size and they continue to sell only safe and sane firewor- I mean guns that are ONLY on the current roster and magazines and accessories to fit those guns- AND they are snooty and high priced as well. I told them that was too bad they did not have those mags I was looking for. I told them I was really trying to give them my money but they had nothing I cared for, then I bought a magpul 10rnd mag Gen3 for $18.99 and was happy, well, not really, but I have another magpul mag...
They are NOT any threat to my former store.

My former store was not perfect. I got yelled at NUMEROUS times from the owner for talking to people about SSEs. He did not like them and there IS NO WAY FOR YOU TO LEGALLY MAKE YOUR OWN PISTOL IN CA! The owner did not trust me; well, I do not think he really trusted me as much as he should have. Of course, I expected that since I was hired to do mainly one job that he would have had a bit more faith in me and not try to micromanage me right after he told me he knew nothing about computers and to just get it done. Although he is a smart guy and a cunning guy and he knows his firearms and has a lot of experience in this field, his arrogance and close-mindedness will hold him back. He put his faith in his webmaster more than me and I was the one who got it done in the end. When they laid me off I had no worries since I at least got them on their POS and made a few friends along the way. I still go in there to buy stuff, and they do not really care much for W1 as well, but they will refer customers to that place (I never did though) when they are looking for EBRs that we did not carry. Especially anyone looking for AK platforms.

Now that I know what I know I am curious, do they still have that one guy that likes to breed fighting pitbulls? Have they changed their attitude or are they still dicks to people that they think they are superior to because they do not know the exact ****ing model of rifle on the wall? There aint any rumors being started about them, I assure you I saw firsthand how they were arrogant and if they could not smell the money they had no interest in your business. I would be willing to walk in again and give them another chance, but really, I would expect to see nothing but blue presses being sold there right next to their miniguns and Veprs... If they can get me a Tavor without spending a ridiculous amount over or allow me to transfer one in then I will go for it, especially if they have a 90 day or so layaway plan.

W1 donates things? Wow. but I gotta ask now is that due to damage control or trying to make up for past customer relations? But no seriously, I would be willing and now that you stood up for them I WILL go into their store and give them some of my money, IF things are different.

Another thing that does not help them is that they have this huge gray truck with their logo and all on it parked out in front of their store (maybe another vehicle too?) but that truck has DOUCHE all over it. There is something about it, Maybe it is just the lift kit, I dunno, but I do not care for people that have vehicles like that on the freeway, they drive they they are douches... So whenever I see that truck I start thinking negativity. But I will turn all of that off this next week and give them a shot at redeeming themselves.

I have only been in their store ONCE and I never cared to go back and I was wishing that they would lose my phone number too, but they must have because they never called me about that Remington 887 Nitro...

And THAT is where I am coming from. Quote me all you want, no rumors here, it is all truth. Folks know that I do not jump on the bandwagon all that easily. I was the only one to stand up for J&M guns in Riverside when someone talked trash on them because the guy talked about taking a bandsaw to their ar because of the aramic written on it that said INFIDEL...

RISR might be a FANTASTIC shooting range, and if so then GREAT! Of course it can't be that fantastic since it is inside and they prolly do not let me bring my ak or ar pistol there to shoot. Neither will magnum range though. Sorry, please excuse my engish. I am not that good sometimes with my ESL... Fostering relationships with gun stores and ranges can be beneficial and as long as they are willing to play along then that is great and I applaud that effort. I meant no disrespect to RISR unless of course they are teamed up with W1 and W1 is still W1, old school pushy mofos that just want the money. I should hope not because I hate to talk **** on any gun store, but some bring it and I will NOT sugarcoat or be PC about calling a spade a spade.

[XDmax]

Im in for an IE class. Already signed up for the Anaheim class

[gadsden1775]

Is the reloading workshop going to happen?

[stilly]

There are some rumors here regarding both W1 and RISR. They are affiliated, yes. We had about 6-8 of our CGSSA monthly shoots at RISR and I found it to be a very nice facility. I have been a customer of both and never have I had a bad experience at either.

RISR has a large facility with lots of space to hold a class such as this, and they are receptive to the idea. I have spoken with Tom and other employees regarding such a class expressing my interests.

W1 has donated items for giveaways at our monthly shoots and also for the recent SSZS. I find the owners Mike and Norris to be standup guys who care about their business, their customers, and their reputation!

W1 isn't a typical one stop gun shop, they are more of a specialty gun shop and they tend to carry more exotic (read expensive) items than other local shops.

Stilly I know where you used to work and I frequent that shop the most as it is my neighborhood shop, but I also like W1 for what they are. I wish people here would stop spreading negative rumors from secondhand info about any shops!

I am starting a new thread in a final response to this... AND a change in heart.