Bad advice

[NoNOS67]

He is right,You did crap in his tread.Give your Humble Opinion via PM.

Not thread crapping when safety is involved.

[JaMail]

first i didint report his thread crapping of my thread, i didint need to. he crapped the thread with the disclaimer of not thread crapping with this being posted in the reloading and components for sale section.


2nd. since you started this in another forum, go ahead and post your opinion on why its bad and dangerous other than your opinion. you stated I was giving bad advice, i stated you were wrong, a mod deleted it.

3rd. for those of you saying you can say anything as long as you preface it as safety related. then you should all join diane feinstein in singing kumbaya and tell every person that buys a gun, shoots a gun, reloads for a gun, that guns are inherently dangerous and should not be bought, sold, used, looked at, or even thought about as they will cause the death of unicorns and baby harp seals.

the shotgunworld link once again is only opinion and is bashing the guy for upping the payload, im not stating to up the payload, im saying you can swap out 1oz of shot for a 1oz slug that fits in the existing cup/wad as designed.

the firing line post is more arguing about it working / not working with some cut shell debate stuff added in.

i like that people reference links to other arguments about the same thing, who knows, in a year or two some other troll will post this as "interwebs proof that it is so"

1oz birdshot being removed and replaced with a 1oz slug isnt changing the payload. the cups /wads in the bulk ammo packs is equivalent to the ones listed in the load data.

you could just as easily say you should never shoot factory ammo as you have no idea if they loaded it correctly, if they used the right primers, powders & weights.

i could make that argument and back it up with facts (http://www.firearmsid.com/mkportal/s...php?board=19.0)

as far as a slug acting different in the cup than the slug. how so? the cup / wad does what its supposed to in this case, which is to protect the barrel from leading and keep the payload together until it exits the barrel at which point the petals engage and the slugs continue down range.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URFI-FUGD1g & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ssokvdegzE

here is the load data for lee 7/8 and lee 1oz key drive slugs

[EL_NinO619]

I chimed in, I don't give a S#** if he, or others say I am thread crapping, it is a stupid way to sell 1oz slugs. Just sell the slugs not some stupid gimmick that is highly irresponsible and down right dangerous. If you think its thread crapping, you are a idiot and do not care if a fellow calgunner gets injured.

[NoNOS67]

Great! Now that we have the load data, can you tell me what kind of powder/primer/wad are in the shells you are telling people to put your slugs in? I didn't think so.

3rd. for those of you saying you can say anything as long as you preface it as safety related. then you should all join diane feinstein in singing kumbaya and tell every person that buys a gun, shoots a gun, reloads for a gun, that guns are inherently dangerous and should not be bought, sold, used, looked at, or even thought about as they will cause the death of unicorns and baby harp seals.

In the hands of an idiot, yes, guns and reloading are dangerous.

[GeoffLinder]

first i didint report his thread crapping of my thread, i didint need to. he crapped the thread with the disclaimer of not thread crapping with this being posted in the reloading and components for sale section.


2nd. since you started this in another forum, go ahead and post your opinion on why its bad and dangerous other than your opinion. you stated I was giving bad advice, i stated you were wrong, a mod deleted it.

3rd. for those of you saying you can say anything as long as you preface it as safety related. then you should all join diane feinstein in singing kumbaya and tell every person that buys a gun, shoots a gun, reloads for a gun, that guns are inherently dangerous and should not be bought, sold, used, looked at, or even thought about as they will cause the death of unicorns and baby harp seals.

the shotgunworld link once again is only opinion and is bashing the guy for upping the payload, im not stating to up the payload, im saying you can swap out 1oz of shot for a 1oz slug that fits in the existing cup/wad as designed.

the firing line post is more arguing about it working / not working with some cut shell debate stuff added in.

i like that people reference links to other arguments about the same thing, who knows, in a year or two some other troll will post this as "interwebs proof that it is so"

1oz birdshot being removed and replaced with a 1oz slug isnt changing the payload. the cups /wads in the bulk ammo packs is equivalent to the ones listed in the load data.

you could just as easily say you should never shoot factory ammo as you have no idea if they loaded it correctly, if they used the right primers, powders & weights.

i could make that argument and back it up with facts (http://www.firearmsid.com/mkportal/s...php?board=19.0)

as far as a slug acting different in the cup than the slug. how so? the cup / wad does what its supposed to in this case, which is to protect the barrel from leading and keep the payload together until it exits the barrel at which point the petals engage and the slugs continue down range.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URFI-FUGD1g & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ssokvdegzE

here is the load data for lee 7/8 and lee 1oz key drive slugs

Hmm, lemme' see here, 1,687 posts total and not a single one in the reloading area, most in the for sale and general discussions areas. That speaks volumes to me about the level of reloading experience you bring to the table, i.e., not that much.

I have said it before and I will say it again, blindly duplicating others recipes found on forums is like wearing someone else's dirty underwear, not advised!

This is a safety related issue and the opinions voiced here are from quite a few VERY experienced reloaders. I rest my case.

I would highly advise you to stop providing those instructions for using the slugs you are selling. Just plain sell them without providing an unsafe recipe for using them. If anyone is injured from following your instructions, you will be held liable.

[call-in]

JaMail, sell the slugs, let the buyer do what he wants, but do not recommend anything.

Great discussion!

I was also looking into getting a mold for Lee's 7/8 oz slug and cast my own to replace Walmart's Federal 1-1/8 oz birdshot. I thought just as long as the mass of the payload is <= to the original. Didn't think about how shot would have some "give" because of it's fluid nature. However, the seller does have a point, all presented "proofs" are really hypothesis at best, without any real evidence of the danger, it will be hard to dissuade many people from trying.

Because of the arguments presented here, I'm rethinking my plans on getting a slug mold.