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  • #16
    afrancke
    Member
    • Jul 2004
    • 147

    Originally posted by Kappy
    Yeah... That just made it foggier. 1MOA is about 1" at 100yds, so I just made 1" targets. I cannot guess what a Mil target is in this context. Maybe he wants it to be similar in some fashion to a mildot scope?
    By comparison, 1 mil is exactly 3.6" at 100 yards - it's defined as 1/1000 the distance to the target, so if 100 yards is 36 x 100 inches = 3600 inches, 1 mil at that distance is 3.6"). It's therefore 7.2" at 200 yards, 10.8" at 300 yards, and so on all the way to 36" at 1000 yards.

    Generally, good scopes with mil-system turrets typically offer 1/10 mil clicks (vs. the 1/4 or 1/8 MOA clicks that scopes with MOA-system turrets provide), and usually a mil-system reticle will have some elements that are as small as 0.2 mil for ranging purposes, and some even go down to 0.1 mil in some areas of the reticle or for some elements (maybe the width of the crosshairs themselves).

    I'm still not sure why any of this matter for targets, though. You don't hear a lot of people talking about how their rifle shoots to some fraction of mil, even though they may be shooting using a scope with a mil-system reticle and turrets. You still read about the sub-MOA rifle, the 0.25 MOA group, the 4 MOA Garand, and so forth.

    If the idea behind an "MOA" target is to have an element which is 1MOA big at some specific distance so you can try to shoot a group inside that element, then that will be good no matter what sighting system you're using.

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    • #17
      Kappy
      Calguns Addict
      • Jul 2007
      • 5349

      Originally posted by afrancke
      I'm still not sure why any of this matter for targets, though.
      So... you think I just shouldn't bother?
      Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.

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      • #18
        Kappy
        Calguns Addict
        • Jul 2007
        • 5349

        Originally posted by mroels
        Looking forward to seeing the 2" targets!! Doing some load development next Monday!....hint hint
        Gotcha. Tonight, sir. Tonight.
        Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.

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        • #19
          Endofcomment
          Member
          • Apr 2011
          • 411

          Handy little piece of paper.

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          • #20
            afrancke
            Member
            • Jul 2004
            • 147

            Originally posted by Kappy
            So... you think I just shouldn't bother?
            That's my take - MOA-sized targets are sufficient for shooting groups

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            • #21
              mroels
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2008
              • 912

              Originally posted by Kappy
              Gotcha. Tonight, sir. Tonight.
              Awesome... Btw are these meant to be printed at a certain scale? The dots are 0.725". Still works for these are meant to, just curious.

              Eta: please don't take my comments as criticism. These targets are great as is
              Last edited by mroels; 10-17-2012, 10:08 PM.

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              • #22
                Kappy
                Calguns Addict
                • Jul 2007
                • 5349

                Originally posted by mroels
                Awesome... Btw are these meant to be printed at a certain scale? The dots are 0.725". Still works for these are meant to, just curious.

                Eta: please don't take my comments as criticism. These targets are great as is
                I noticed that today. I was aghast at my mistake. I am deleting the original target and reposting (if possible) in the original post. Along with a 1MOA 2MOA 3MOA and 4MOA
                Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.

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                • #23
                  Kappy
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 5349

                  OK. I got them all up.

                  I am willing to work on other target projects if anyone has suggestions.
                  Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.

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                  • #24
                    Kappy
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Jul 2007
                    • 5349

                    I am going to suggest that you use these targets with On Target's software. It's a great piece of software.

                    OnTarget programs measure firearm precision and accuracy, helping thousands of shooters worldwide improve their shooting performance.


                    He does offer a free version (but for the price, I'd just buy the newest version).

                    My plan (and suggestion):
                    1. Print and post up 2 sets of this target on Sunday.
                    2. Label each target with the various loads I've brought.
                    3. Shoot each target with 5 shots each of the corresponding load.
                    4. Take pics of each target with my iPhone and mail them to myself.
                    5. Use this software (On Target) to click all the bullet holes.
                    6. Use the ruler function on the software to measure the dot and set the size to 1".
                    7. Save each target as a jpeg and file them.
                    Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.

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                    • #25
                      Kappy
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Jul 2007
                      • 5349

                      Included a 4" target for 100 yds.
                      Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.

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                      • #26
                        mroels
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2008
                        • 912

                        Awesome job! There will be some holes in them on monday!

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                        • #27
                          SDS-Ruger
                          Member
                          • Dec 2007
                          • 237

                          thanks, will put them to good use.

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                          • #28
                            mroels
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2008
                            • 912

                            Put to good use on this stormy morning on the central coast. 20mph winds and a good rain storm but didn't want to waste a day at the range.

                            My only request if you're still working on these is if you could make the cross hairs on the 200yd target bigger. On the 100yd target my reticle perfectly covers the cross hairs on the target letting you know you're centered. But at 200yds my reticle is too large so it's a bit difficult.

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                            • #29
                              ar15barrels
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 57193

                              Originally posted by mroels
                              You totally missed the dots man...

                              I shot some dots yesterday too.
                              I was shooter charlie2.

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                              • #30
                                Kappy
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                                • Jul 2007
                                • 5349

                                My best this weekend. I'll post the On Target assessment this weekend. I think it was like .68MOA or less.

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