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  • #31
    J-cat
    Calguns Addict
    • May 2005
    • 6626

    But the chamber is finished wrong.

    That's like saying you would not straighten a crooked barrel, but instead bend the scope.
    Last edited by J-cat; 10-19-2012, 12:30 PM.

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    • #32
      J-cat
      Calguns Addict
      • May 2005
      • 6626

      My understanding is that Sig 1911 chambers have a very short to nonexistent freebore and do not do well with Truncated Cone profile bullets, unless you set the OAL very short. It is not a crimp issue. It is more likely an OAL issue.

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      • #33
        Bill Steele
        Calguns Addict
        • Sep 2010
        • 5028

        Originally posted by J-cat
        My understanding is that Sig 1911 chambers have a very short to nonexistent freebore and do not do well with Truncated Cone profile bullets, unless you set the OAL very short. It is not a crimp issue. It is more likely an OAL issue.
        Spot on. My SIG 1911 Stainless Target has no freebore (the lands start at the chamber). Truncated cone profile bullets of any sort (many XTP's fall into this category) will jam into the lands and cause the gun to fail going into battery unless they are seated with the shoulder at the case mouth.
        When asked what qualities he most valued in his generals, Napoleon said, "give me lucky ones."

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        • #34
          J-cat
          Calguns Addict
          • May 2005
          • 6626

          A gunsmith can run a finishing reamer through your barrel for cheap. This will cut a freebore and open up your reloading possibilities.

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          • #35
            Bill Steele
            Calguns Addict
            • Sep 2010
            • 5028

            Originally posted by J-cat
            A gunsmith can run a finishing reamer through your barrel for cheap. This will cut a freebore and open up your reloading possibilities.
            I understand, although not all the closest gunsmiths know this, but that is another story. It is easy enough for me to load for the gun, so it is no big deal. My SD guns are Glocks, no freebore problem there.
            When asked what qualities he most valued in his generals, Napoleon said, "give me lucky ones."

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            • #36
              tdyoung1958
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2011
              • 800

              Originally posted by Pete1979
              No doubt the chamber is on the tight side but since I rarely shoot store bought, I would also size the rounds to fit before I would send a reamer down a finished chamber.
              I have 2 Sig 1911's a C3 and a GSR and this happens with both of them. Sorry if they aren't cheap 1911's that will feed front, back and sideways. I know from reloading that if I don't size them that the same issue will occur with the FP lead bullets I use that I'm experiencing with the XTP's. Was just looking for someone in the SC area that uses a four die setup I could run them thru the last die on.

              Sorry if I'm just stupid and look for simple answers that I know will work . . .

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              • #37
                huckberry668
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2007
                • 1502

                I can't believe I'm the only one advocating not to resize the OD of loaded rounds. Any experienced reloader will tell you it kills accuracy, period!! It's like hacking off your toes to fit the shoe. Don't reduce the bullet diameter if you want your high end 1911 to shoot them accurately.

                If it is the lack of 'free bore' in the chamber that causes the feeding problem, you won't fix it by resizing the OD of the rounds. Because it's the shortened 'seating depth' or OAL you need. But seating it too short and you may have other feeding and pressure problems.

                Also, you mentioned 4-die set up. the only 4-die set up I know with the sizing ring on the 4th die is Lee Deluxe die set with the factory crimp die. you can buy just the Lee Factory Crimp Die by itself for about $18. I'd loan you mine if I hadn't enlarge the sizing ring.

                All in all, good luck, I hope you find what you need and please do let us know how it works out.
                GCC
                NRA Certified Pistol Instructor
                Don't count your hits and congratulate yourself, count your misses and know why.

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                • #38
                  BSlacker
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 923

                  I can't believe I'm the only one advocating not to resize the OD of loaded rounds.
                  I wrote in post 16 this:
                  If you resize loaded ammo you ruin the bullet diameter.
                  There you go you are not alone anymore.

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                  • #39
                    Pete1979
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 670

                    You guys are correct, it is a chamber issue, the OP has a chamber that is tight and seems to have a preference for a certain type or brand of ammo. I run into the same problem with my Springfield 1911 when I use cheap plated or cast bullets. Since I don' have the equipment to size the bullets themselves, I just send the whole mess through a Redding taper crimp die. It doesn't seem to hurt the accuracy all that much. Probably not the best solution with a jacketed bullet but there is no chance of ruining a nice match chamber.

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                    • #40
                      Bill Steele
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Sep 2010
                      • 5028

                      I hope nobody took what I wrote about the lack of freebore in my SIG 1911 as an endorsement that resizing factory ammo is the right approach.

                      As Jcat suggested, if you want to shoot a particular factory ammo and your gun won't feed it, get the chamber reamed to SAAMI spec or get some freebore added with a reamer (whichever is the problem). Either is a pretty simple fix for a knowledgable gunsmith.

                      I haven't had the freebore added to my SIG because I can load the bullets the depth needed to work fine and this gun is just a target gun.
                      When asked what qualities he most valued in his generals, Napoleon said, "give me lucky ones."

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                      • #41
                        CalTeacher
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 828

                        Originally posted by huckberry668
                        I can't believe I'm the only one advocating not to resize the OD of loaded rounds. Any experienced reloader will tell you it kills accuracy, period!! It's like hacking off your toes to fit the shoe. Don't reduce the bullet diameter if you want your high end 1911 to shoot them accurately.
                        .
                        I said it too.

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                        • #42
                          J-cat
                          Calguns Addict
                          • May 2005
                          • 6626

                          I meant to say it, but got all excited and forgot.

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                          • #43
                            tdyoung1958
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2011
                            • 800

                            Originally posted by huckberry668
                            Don't reduce the bullet diameter if you want your high end 1911 to shoot them accurately.
                            If I ever need to actually shoot them in a SD situation, I don't think I'm gonna worry about them keyholing into the perp . . .

                            from my bed to the door is 10 feet. Never really considered XTP's as quality range ammo to begin with

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                            • #44
                              CalTeacher
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2010
                              • 828

                              Seriously, just have Hornady exchange them.

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