Inconsistant Bullet Lengths

[Prc329]

I usually hold over instead of adjusting my scope for wind, that is unless I am trying to shoot a group. if I am just banging steel I will adjust for elevation and hold over for wind.

[rksimple]

My point is that I've never seen anyone at a public range shooting off a bench adjust for windage. They'll talk all day up and down about how they weighed this and cut that, and then proceed to shoot straight away regardless of the conditions.

You're not dealing with those kind of folks in this thread. They're shooters. I've seen most of 'em shoot and they're quite good.

But now that you mention it, you wouldn't see me at a bench adjusting for windage...I'd be prone.

FWIW, at the PR class I attended at TV, there was a guy shooting a KMW built Surgeon in .243 with DTAC's. He hadn't been reloading that long and did nothing to prep his brass (Lapua). He din't know much about reloading overall, just threw his stuff together with powder charges thrown from a chargemaster. He didn't have a problem with accuracy as he kept shooting the spotter from 600 yards. Blew out the spindle a couple times too.

Its a matter of getting loads "good enough" and then just shutting up and shooting (in the words of Jared Joplin).

[Pthfndr]

I usually hold over instead of adjusting my scope for wind, that is unless I am trying to shoot a group. if I am just banging steel I will adjust for elevation and hold over for wind.

Now see, there's your problem. That's why you're missing the target. You hold OFF for WIND. You hold OVER (or under) for ELEVATION

[PistolPete75]

i think getting loads to be "good" enough is to be determined by the shooter's standards, but one should be shooting more, than spending time reloading. i love to shoot. i shoot about 300-400rounds in one month. i don't have the most knowledge or experience shooting, but i can shoot the distance and i ain't afraid of making mistakes along the way. you learn from mistakes, move on and remember not to make those mistakes again.

thanks for the clarification pthfinder, hold over, hold off. it all sounded the same to me. as long as you know what your doing when your shooting, it's all good.

and by the way, Ryan is a good shooter. i've shot with him before.

wildcard, he has his own way of reading wind. i always see him drop dirt on the floor.

nayt, he likes to bang them steel. once he is on, he doesn't let up till he's out of ammo.

[PistolPete75]

My point is that I've never seen anyone at a public range shooting off a bench adjust for windage. They'll talk all day up and down about how they weighed this and cut that, and then proceed to shoot straight away regardless of the conditions.

most guys i've shot here on the forum aren't benchresters, but precision/ tactical shooters. that's why they don't care for windflags, and but do read wind in other ways for info, wheather dialing in their scope or holding off for wind.

holding off seems to be more useful in shooting in the wind, to readjust for any changes in the wind, and for shooting multiple targets in one session.

[Prc329]

Now see, there's your problem. That's why you're missing the target. You hold OFF for WIND. You hold OVER (or under) for ELEVATION

I always looked at it like I was holding over to the right or left for windage. Never though the real term was hold off. Oh and I rarely miss

[Prc329]

nayt, he likes to bang them steel. once he is on, he doesn't let up till he's out of ammo.

I love the sound the steel makes and seeing the paint removed from the plate.

[Pthfndr]

Oh and I rarely miss

Really? So, you can hit a MOA X ring half the time, and 2 MOA 10 ring almost everytime from any distance out to 1000 yards?

With iron sights? With no bipod or rear bag?

Because, see, 30Cal and Ocabj are doing it with iron sights, and a sling.

That's not to knock you, just to put things in a different perspective. They shoot different type of competition than you do.

I shoot paper at long range, and also steel. I love shooting steel. But steel is generally more forgiving if you are just a little off.

Tell you what, come up here to the Sac Valley range on Nov 10. There's a Prone / Palma match. 800, 900, 1000 yards. You can shoot your rifle in F Class. (that means you can use your scope, bipod and rear bag) 45 rounds total plus 2 sighters at each distance. Let's see how you do.

[Prc329]

I have not had a chance to shot past 865 yards. I hope to soon. I would love to come out to that match and try it out and see how I do. There are 3 things keeping me from coming. One is 30 years old, one is almost 3 and one is about 7 months and counting.

I need more training but I can do what I like to do and that is bang each and every piece of steel at my "home range" out to 600 yards. I have pulled together some nice short distance groups but nothing to long yet. Just no place to do more then 200 yards without causing the wife to go crazy.

I have a lot of respect for shooters like 30cal and especially Ocabj (really helped in my reloading adventures with his posts). I definitely was not taking anything away from there accomplishments as shooters, just not taking my self very seriously.

That being said, my type of shooting is patterned after what a sniper would do, UKDs, cold bore shots, etc. I am not all that concerned with paper targets. I really enjoy steel. That sound is very addicting, especially when you hear it almost 2 seconds after you pull the trigger. Do I never miss, I would be kidding myself if I said I didn't. I am still relatively green. Meet me at Angeles Shooting Range and I will put a hurting on every piece of steel on the rifle line.

[Pthfndr]

That being said, my type of shooting is patterned after what a sniper would do, UKDs, cold bore shots, etc.

High Marks for honesty

I don't know if this is possible at your steel range, it is at ours.

Move closer, or further back by about 20 yards. Then see how often you still hit on the first, or even second shot, on the steel. You might be surprised by how that little difference in distance throws you off your elevation come ups/hold overs and wind hold offs. But it's good practice.

At my range the steel is a silhouette range from 200 to 500......but it's all in meters, not yards. That really throws off a lot of people who think they know their dope.

[rksimple]

Really? So, you can hit a MOA X ring half the time, and 2 MOA 10 ring almost everytime from any distance out to 1000 yards?

With iron sights? With no bipod or rear bag?

Because, see, 30Cal and Ocabj are doing it with iron sights, and a sling.

That's not to knock you, just to put things in a different perspective. They shoot different type of competition than you do.

Open sights, no bipod/bag...but huge a** targets to aim at and fancy shooting jackets and gloves, not to mention...sighters. Put a 1/2 size IPSC steel out at 1K in the dirt and you can barely see it without optics, let alone get a good sight picture on it with irons...and hit it without some sighters. Thats not to knock HP guys at all, but its a completely different game. Shooting with irons takes lots of skill, and lots of practice, but so do UKD stages. Different strokes...

[CSACANNONEER]

Now see, there's your problem. That's why you're missing the target. You hold OFF for WIND. You hold OVER (or under) for ELEVATION

Not quite true, I hold over for wind coming strait at me and under for a tail wind.

[PistolPete75]

is this thread about who has a bigger ding a ling? whatevers, we're starting to bicker over stupid stuff. just shut up and shoot dammit. i think this is third time i said this recently.

who cares where your shooting level is? everyone started at different times. if you've been shooting for a long, time you better be good or else you really suck right? if you started shooting recently like me, you better start shooting alot to get experience and ask tons of questions from experienced shooters. in the end, it's all about having fun. once you loose sight of that, it just ain't no mo' fun. why shoot?

that's why in competition shooting, there is a thin line between competition and bringing your skill level up. once you get too competitive, you can easily loose sight of the goal and that is to have fun...right?

[rksimple]

if you've been shooting for a long, time you better be good or else you really suck right?

This made me laugh.

I agree with you, and I wasn't trying to bicker...just give another "perspective." I think its good for shooters, especially guys who compete, to shoot as many different disciplines as possible. This makes for a well rounded shooter. A lot of HP guys can really clean up, even at tac comps, in positional shooting. F class guys clean up on extreme distance stuff. It just happens. I've got my butt kicked enough to realize that much, at least.

[PistolPete75]

This made me laugh.

I agree with you, and I wasn't trying to bicker...just give another "perspective." I think its good for shooters, especially guys who compete, to shoot as many different disciplines as possible. This makes for a well rounded shooter. A lot of HP guys can really clean up, even at tac comps, in positional shooting. F class guys clean up on extreme distance stuff. It just happens. I've got my butt kicked enough to realize that much, at least.

i'm with you on this, that is why i wanted to shoot f class. but starting out in 1000yards might be too far for me. i might want to try out a 600yard though.

i'm only descent in supported kneeling and supported prone. i have a hard time with offhand, unless i'm shooting a ar15 with an eotech, but that's like cheating.