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  • #16
    Prc329
    Calguns Addict
    • Oct 2006
    • 5603

    I have been needing to get one of those. Any other concerns? What about bullet charges? My dispenser scale occasionally throws a .1 heavier charge. Should I bother rethrowing the charge?
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    • #17
      Pthfndr
      In Memoriam
      • Oct 2005
      • 3691

      Originally posted by Prc329
      I have been needing to get one of those. Any other concerns? What about bullet charges? My dispenser scale occasionally throws a .1 heavier charge. Should I bother rethrowing the charge?
      For anything 600 yards or less +/- .1 gr won't make a difference (unless you're David Tubb) and will keep your load X ring or steel plate capable. For 800 to 1000 I like them to be within .2gr total. So I'll accept the load setting +.1gr. That's only to reduce vertical stringing.

      For 300 yards in I just toss the loads. Even +/- .2gr won't make much difference for anyone but Benchresters.

      Keep in mind most "non scientific" scales (the typical digital reloading scale) is only good for +/- .1gr anyway. Some are actually more like .2gr. So even if all your throws say they're the same, they might not actually be.
      Rob Thomas - Match Director NCPPRC Tactical Long Range Match

      Match Director Sac Valley Vintage Military Rifle Long Range Match

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      • #18
        Pthfndr
        In Memoriam
        • Oct 2005
        • 3691

        Originally posted by ocabj
        Did you look at the bullet comparator tools I posted a link for in post #4 of this thread?
        +100

        A comparator is invaluable.
        Rob Thomas - Match Director NCPPRC Tactical Long Range Match

        Match Director Sac Valley Vintage Military Rifle Long Range Match

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        • #19
          ar15barrels
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jan 2006
          • 57166

          Originally posted by ocabj
          Did you look at the bullet comparator tools I posted a link for in post #4 of this thread?
          I'm thinking they did not.
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          • #20
            PistolPete75
            Calguns Addict
            • Jan 2007
            • 5230

            which one on the link, does the job well? there are like soo many.

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            • #21
              rksimple
              Calguns Addict
              • Jan 2006
              • 6257

              Any one should work well. Some are just easier than others. I have the Hornady (Stoney Point) one. Works well.
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              • #22
                PistolPete75
                Calguns Addict
                • Jan 2007
                • 5230

                oh well, i just finished reloading like 230 rounds. hopefully, this will get my velocity variance down, and my groups tighter.

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                • #23
                  30Cal
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 1487

                  Originally posted by phish
                  5 mils is already within the tolerance of most calipers already.

                  shoot more, analyze less

                  +1

                  As far as accuracy, you'd be better served with a set of wind flags than you will a set of calipers and a scale.

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                  • #24
                    rksimple
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 6257

                    Originally posted by 30Cal
                    +1

                    As far as accuracy, you'd be better served with a set of wind flags than you will a set of calipers and a scale.
                    In our game, we don't use no stinking wind flags!

                    In all seriousness, I rarely use my comparator. But I also use bullets that are quite tolerant of jump. I work up a load that shoots around .75 moa, gives a low ES with good velocity, and go from there. I'd rather spend time shooting than working up another load to squeeze out another .25 moa accuracy.
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                    • #25
                      30Cal
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 1487

                      Originally posted by rksimple
                      In our game, we don't use no stinking wind flags!

                      In all seriousness, I rarely use my comparator. But I also use bullets that are quite tolerant of jump. I work up a load that shoots around .75 moa, gives a low ES with good velocity, and go from there. I'd rather spend time shooting than working up another load to squeeze out another .25 moa accuracy.
                      In that case, if you do anything beyond pulling a handle, you're wasting time at the reloading bench.



                      Ty

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                      • #26
                        rksimple
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 6257

                        Originally posted by 30Cal
                        In that case, if you do anything beyond pulling a handle, you're wasting time at the reloading bench.



                        Ty
                        Tell that to my 1000 yard groups. They usually hover around MOA (+ or - 5 moa ) with a 308 nonetheless. There's more than one way to skin a cat.

                        Live in a place where the wind averages 15+ mph and you get good at reading the wind.
                        Last edited by rksimple; 10-22-2007, 1:27 PM.
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                        • #27
                          Prc329
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 5603

                          Originally posted by 30Cal
                          +1

                          As far as accuracy, you'd be better served with a set of wind flags than you will a set of calipers and a scale.
                          Wind flags, that's what bushes and trees are for
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                          • #28
                            ocabj
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 7924

                            Your primary source for wind reading should be mirage.

                            There are several times I've shot in conditions where wind flags, trees, and other vegetation have indicated one direction, yet the mirage was actually moving in another and the mirage was giving the true direction/speed of the wind.

                            If you've ever shot at WEGC, you'll know what I'm talking about.

                            If you want to practice wind reading, shoot in one of the rifle matches there. The WEGC rear firing line has only one wind flag and that's in the pits. So you have to rely on mirage for the best wind estimation. And unlike places like Camp Pendleton (Wilcox 103), where the wind is pretty much exactly the same everytime you shoot there (at least for direction and general speed), the wind at WEGC is almost always different match to match.

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                            • #29
                              wildcard
                              Veteran Member
                              • Aug 2006
                              • 4920

                              Originally posted by Prc329
                              Wind flags, that's what bushes and trees are for
                              In addition, my personal favorite is "Gladiator Style." Grab some dirt or whatever debris is on the ground and trickle it down. More for direction at your location than velocity. My body is my anemometer!

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                              • #30
                                30Cal
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2006
                                • 1487

                                Originally posted by Prc329
                                Wind flags, that's what bushes and trees are for
                                My point is that I've never seen anyone at a public range shooting off a bench adjust for windage. They'll talk all day up and down about how they weighed this and cut that, and then proceed to shoot straight away regardless of the conditions.

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