AK ammo

[1lostinspace]

New to the Ak what is a good SHTF ammo?
I am looking for cheap Russian crap that will expand out to 200 yards.


I have ton's of info saying that the 7.62x39 fmj will over penetrate and leaves pistol size wounds. This is true besides the initial hydro shock it will turn over once at best.
Here is a pic.



25cm is about 10" so it does not have time to tumble most of the time.
A SP causes horrific damage.

[jumbopanda]

I guess soft points would be your best bet. I just ordered some Wolf 154 gr SP, but I have no idea how well they expand.

[courteousgavin]

I've read many complaints that none of the Russian soft point ammo expands very well. The theory seems to be that the bullet jackets are too hard. Besides, in a SHTF situation it would be "ungentlemanly" to use anything but FMJ.

[oaklander]

In a SHTF situation - I would use FMJ - for the reason that the gun was designed to use it. My Romy G has jammed a total of 4 times (all failures to feed) in over 2000 rounds. Each time was with SP ammo.

WIth respect to the HP ammo that Wolf sells, it's accurate out to 50 yards or so - but at 100 yards, I get pretty random patterns (YMMV). Barnaul FMJ (and SP) has been the most accurate for me. Below is a 20 shot group shot at 100 yards with iron sights (using Barnaul SP's).

- most of the hits were in a 5 inch circle

[1lostinspace]

I guess soft points would be your best bet. I just ordered some Wolf 154 gr SP, but I have no idea how well they expand.

there was a guy that did a test and they expand ok but over penetrate great for medium deer. But should be good I am sure it would still be effective.


ok hear is my answer look at this guys test

http://www.thesixgunjournal.net/ak47.html

[1lostinspace]

http://www.thesixgunjournal.net/ak47.html

[oaklander]

The Barnaul “Silver Bear” ball ammo is still going to be my “go to” load for this gun. It is accurate, shoots to point-of-aim, and has plenty of “oomph” for anti-personnel us. I would much prefer it to any 7.62x39 soft-point load, especially if a vehicle were part of the tactical problem at hand.

+1 for Silver Bear FMJ.

[M. Sage]

People aren't deer. What it takes to bring a deer down is a lot more than what it takes to do the same to a human. Deer are tough things.

FMJ should be quite good for SHTF. If nothing else, just use two instead of one.

[ZapThyCat]

I picked wolf simply because it's cheap

[Snuffalofogus]

Golden Tiger because its cheaper than wolf

[1lostinspace]

People aren't deer. What it takes to bring a deer down is a lot more than what it takes to do the same to a human. Deer are tough things.

FMJ should be quite good for SHTF. If nothing else, just use two instead of one.

I have ton's of info saying that the 7.62x39 fmj will over penetrate and leaves pistol size wounds. This is true besides the initial hydro shock it will turn over once at best.
Here is a pic.



25cm is about 10" so it does not have time to tumble most of the time.
A SP causes horrific damage.

[grammaton76]

None of the above, although I put down FMJ as that's what I load.

I'd use the polymer tipped evil rounds I get from Dustin at Ammobros.

[EricCartmann]

+1 on Golden tiger! Because it is the cheapest.

I got and shot golden tiger, wolf black box, wolf military classic, silver bear, brown bear and they all shoot and accuracy is about the same for all.

AK's are not really picky with ammo, you should buy whatever is cheapest.

[bones138]

Norinco Silver

[mblat]

In a SHTF situation - I would use FMJ - for the reason that the gun was designed to use it. My Romy G has jammed a total of 4 times (all failures to feed) in over 2000 rounds. Each time was with SP ammo.

WIth respect to the HP ammo that Wolf sells, it's accurate out to 50 yards or so - but at 100 yards, I get pretty random patterns (YMMV). Barnaul FMJ (and SP) has been the most accurate for me. Below is a 20 shot group shot at 100 yards with iron sights (using Barnaul SP's).

- most of the hits were in a 5 inch circle

That seems to be perfectly acceptable pattern for SHTF weapon. Would be all body hits from 100 yards...... Not much more you can ask for.


EDIT:

I have ton's of info saying that the 7.62x39 fmj will over penetrate and leaves pistol size wounds. This is true besides the initial hydro shock it will turn over once at best.

Yes, of cause. It will also penetrate through the car doors and walls etc. Isn't that what you want from SHTF bullet? Point is that there is no "perfect" bullet that can cover all situations.
.223 at short distances will kill you for sure, but is crappy when need to be used on covered enemy.
7.62x39 will go though the doors and walls but if you achieve direct hit at short distances it will over penetrate and may not disable the enemy.
.308 perfect in both of those respects, but much heavier and therefore limits number of rounds you can carry....

So pick you poison - there is not perfect bullet. Same as with 9mm vs. .45 debate.