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**XDRoX** · 09-01-2010, 2:42 PM

The Lee Classic Turret is way better, please consider it.

**XDRoX** · 09-01-2010, 2:47 PM

Also, I would never buy an electronic scale for that price. I don't think it will last long. A good RCBS or Dillon beam scale is much better.

**XDRoX** · 09-01-2010, 2:50 PM

Originally posted by StephenhDMRS

The only thing I really think i'm missing is someway for me to put the primer on.

The press will do that.

**StephenhDMRS** · 09-01-2010, 3:09 PM

I will look into the Lee Classic Turret. The only question is how is it different? Visually it seems to be the same but a tad bit more expensive.

I will remove the electronic scale and look into a beam scale.

**Divernhunter** · 09-01-2010, 3:12 PM

Do not use a press to prime. Get a handprimer. The lee autoprime and the correct shellholder(#11) for it for the 44mag. It will help accuracy. A caliper can be bought from Harbor frieght or a auto parts store for $20 or less and works just the same. Truth be told you do not need one to loading the 44mag or many others. Crimp in the crimping groove of the bullet you are using. With rifle bullets if there is a crimp groove adjust die to seat to grouve to start with and on bullets without one (or with) seat until the same as factory. No need for case lenght gauge. Pistol(straight walled) cases do not grow enough to worry about.

You are correct I am not a big lee fan. You would be better off with a RCBS(or Hornady) KIT. but it is your money.

Also get safety glasses, a small cup to put extra powder etc in, Tumbler media( I use treated walnut shells), abeam scale to start with,put a factory round in your reloading dies box to use as a guide,Hornady and most other dies do not come with the shellholder.

BUT before you DO ANYTHING buy a Lyman #49 reloading manual and read it well. It will answer many questions and is a great book on reloading data.

**ParallaxTactical.com** · 09-01-2010, 3:14 PM

Skip that kit and get the Lee Classic Turret press.

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http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=814175

Also check out the LEE carbide dies, they are great values for the money. Comes with everything you need + a factory crimp die. They come with a shelholder so you don't need to purchase an extra one.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct...tnumber=875273 (.44 Mag)
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct...tnumber=885350 (9mm)

Add on one of these for every caliber you choose to reload so you don't have to unscrew the dies:

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http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=292460

Get this over the Lee powder measure:

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http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=348753

That mounts to your press turret head and automatically dispenses a preset amount of powder.

And toss in one of these to clean primer pockets:

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http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=467111

I would get a book like this one and read it as well:

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http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=484416

**StephenhDMRS** · 09-01-2010, 3:39 PM

Okay... Updated my list. Changed to Lee Classic Turret(no one has explained why

But the masses usually aren't wrong). Replaced the hornady dies with Lee carbide dies. I actually have a couple turret heads in the cart, I just didn't add them to this list. Changed the powder measurer. Can't believe I forgot to add the primer pocket cleaner. And... for books I know all about them.

I know there are a billion threads about which reloading book is better and such. I originally bought the lyman 49th edition and ended up returning it. I didn't think it was very helpful in learning how to reload. ANd it also didn't have 7.5x55 swiss data loads which at the time was all I was going to reload. I will look into the lee Modern reloading and hopefully that will cover more basics. I have watched hours of reloading videos on youtube though.

**sniper5** · 09-01-2010, 3:58 PM

Your list looks pretty good. I'd skip the digital for a beam. You will only be checking weights on loads occasionally to quality check the measure. A beam won't get out of calibration and will be less sensitive to air currents and you won't have to worry about power. RCBS, Lyman, and Lee all make beam scales that are not horribly expensive. Contrary to popular belief, digitals are not more accurate, just a little faster, and fussier.

The Classic Turret comes as a 4 hole (1. Decap and resize die 2. Case mouth flaring and powder thru die 3. Bullet Seat 4. Crimp die), with cast iron base instead of aluminum, smoother links, and stronger handle as opposed to the standard Turret. Probably been explained to you but the Lee Pro Disk measure will screw into the Lee powder thru die which makes for a simple system. You will need the riser to keep from hitting the safety primer body with the powder measure.

Hope that helps some of the why's. Also check out "The ABC's Of Reloading" as a general how to guide. Ammoguide.com is a good source of reloading and ballistics info. And you will want to add a Lee cutter stud and base to your list to have something to screw the case length gauge into. Don't worry, it's cheap.

**tujungatoes** · 09-01-2010, 4:08 PM

if you're going to be reloading rifle calibers don't forget a case trimmer, and a chamfer and deburring tool. lee makes a couple inexpensive ones. Haven't used them. so i can't say whether they're any good, but I'm sure someone will chime in soon enough.

*edit* i see sniper5 beat me to it

**Cowboy T** · 09-01-2010, 4:09 PM

Basically, the Classic Turret is the beefier, sturdier version of the regular 4-station Turret.

1.) The frame is beefier, thus somewhat more stable.
2.) The linkage and ram are beefier.
3.) The Classic Turret has 4 inches of clearance vs. 3.5". That means more room for the bigger rifle cartridges.

I love my Classic Turret. For me, it was worth the money. Actually, I'm a fan of most Lee gear. It's affordable and works like a champ.

You will definitely need that Auto-Disk Riser. The reason is for vertical clearance of the Pro Auto-Disk Powder Measure so it's high enough not to smack into the Safety Prime as your turret's turning. You'll see what I mean when you assemble everything.

BTW, I would change that electronic powder scale to a good beam scale. If you're weighing powder, not bullets, then the Lee Safety Scale will serve you very well. If you're also weighing bullets, then I'd suggest the RCBS 5-0-5.

BTW, your Safety Prime is how you will prime the cases. It fits on the Turret and Classic Turret Presses and lets you prime right on the press, just after the resize/decap operation. Some folks (e. g. DivernHunter) don't like to prime on the press. However, I nearly always prime on the press nowadays, both on the Classic Turret and both of my Pro 1000's. The only time I use the hand primer now is if I'm doing load development. Twenty thousand rounds later, I still believe in priming on the press.

Also, Lee die sets do come with shellholders. The sole exception is the "RGB" stripped set. However, all Lee 3- and 4-die handgun sets come with both the appropriate shellholder and a plastic scoop.

**ParallaxTactical.com** · 09-01-2010, 4:33 PM

If you're doing larger rifle loads, don't forget the Double Disk Kit as well.
As stated above, for .223 you're going to need a trimmer. A lee setup is cheap and works fairly well for the money. Zip trim, .223 case length gauge, cutter & lock stud, ball grip if desired, chamfer and deburring tool. Tacks on about $35-$40

**XDRoX** · 09-01-2010, 4:46 PM

Originally posted by ParallaxTactical.com

If you're doing larger rifle loads, don't forget the Double Disk Kit as well.
As stated above, for .223 you're going to need a trimmer. A lee setup is cheap and works fairly well for the money. Zip trim, .223 case length gauge, cutter & lock stud, ball grip if desired, chamfer and deburring tool. Tacks on about $35-$40

Hey PT, my buddy came by with a fairly new AR the other day. He gave me your card. It was a nice rifle. When I'm ready for one I'll give you a call.

**ParallaxTactical.com** · 09-01-2010, 5:19 PM

Originally posted by XDRoX

Hey PT, my buddy came by with a fairly new AR the other day. He gave me your card. It was a nice rifle. When I'm ready for one I'll give you a call.

Sweet, come by and we can talk reloading sometime.

Anthony

**Chief-7700** · 09-01-2010, 5:24 PM

Originally posted by Divernhunter

Do not use a press to prime. Get a handprimer. The lee autoprime and the correct shellholder(#11) for it for the 44mag. It will help accuracy. A caliper can be bought from Harbor frieght or a auto parts store for $20 or less and works just the same. Truth be told you do not need one to loading the 44mag or many others. Crimp in the crimping groove of the bullet you are using. With rifle bullets if there is a crimp groove adjust die to seat to grouve to start with and on bullets without one (or with) seat until the same as factory. No need for case lenght gauge. Pistol(straight walled) cases do not grow enough to worry about.

You are correct I am not a big lee fan. You would be better off with a RCBS(or Hornady) KIT. but it is your money.

Also get safety glasses, a small cup to put extra powder etc in, Tumbler media( I use treated walnut shells), abeam scale to start with,put a factory round in your reloading dies box to use as a guide,Hornady and most other dies do not come with the shellholder.

BUT before you DO ANYTHING buy a Lyman #49 reloading manual and read it well. It will answer many questions and is a great book on reloading data.

Why not prime on the press/machine?
A case gage for straight wall pistol cartridges is a very good thing to have.
The "Groove" on a bullet is called the Cannelure. page # 31 in the Layman #49.
Why would you want to set your seating die to a factory round when you can tailor your ammunition to what your gun likes?

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