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  • dstewart
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    • May 2010
    • 184

    44 mag load workup

    Its been about 5 years since I last played with a 44 mag and reloading. Recently I bought a Ruger Super Blackhawk Bisley Hunter to hold me over while I wait for my 475 Linebaugh from Freedom Arms to be made (about a 3 month wait right now).



    I have quite a bit of experience with .40 and 45acp with my Dillon XL650 and have loaded 454 Casull on it as well but I wanted a single stage press in hopes for more consistency. I went back and forth between RCBS, Redding and Hornady. Finally I decided on the Lock and Load classic. The twist lock bushing system is fantastic so far. While I was at it I went for the Hornady auto charge as well.




    So I wanted to work up a nice stiff 240gr load for the Biesly using H110. After much reading and calling Hornady and Hodgdon I decided to use the Federal #155m Large Pistol Mag Match primer to insure a constant and repeatable ignition with H110. Knowing the mag primer could add to the peak pressures some I decided to start with 22.5gr of H110 (well under the 24.8gr max listed by Hornady and Hodgdon). While measuring my spent factory loaded brass from 200gr Hornady XTP's I found the brass to be about 0.020" shorter then I though it should be. Measuring 1.255" and the loading manuals call for a trim to length of 1.275. I called Hornady and they said their brass could have been cut back some for use with the LEVERevolution bullets. I then measured the 200gr and 240gr factory XTP C.O.L. and found it to be 1.575 and 1.580 respectively. The loading manuals call 1.6" in most cases. With the shorter case length I found seating the 240gr XTP's to 1.585 with heavy crimp as about the max and still get the crimp to seat at the lower edge of the cannelure.

    I loaded 6 rounds each at 22.5, 23.0, 23.5, 24.0 and 24.5gr of H110. Carefully measured the head diameter of the brass at 0.455" of every reload and that of unfired factory rounds. Im no expert at this and wanted to proceed as carefully as I knew how to using extraction effort, primer condition and head diameter change as indications of overpressure.

    At the range Saturday using the HILL-23/2 ALCO Bullseye Target at 50 yards where I had sighted in the Leopold 4x28 scope using 200gr factory XTP loads I started off with the 22.5gr reloads. I fired one shot, then checked the spent brass. It fell out of the cylinder and no change to the head dia. I fired 4 more then removed the 6th round to check for bullet pull, none. I repeated these steps for each load and measured the head on each spent round. What I found was, with each progressively hotter load the groups would shrink in vertical spread. About 1.5" for the 22.5 working down to 1" with the 24 and 24.5gr loads. I found the hotter loads tended to shoot a little higher probably do to muzzle lift.

    What I found out was, at least with the Ruger SBH 24.5gr of H110 with a mag primer and a relatively deep seat works very very well. So, I decided to work up 5 more sets of loads last night starting off at 24gr followed by 24.5, 24.8 (max load according to the Hornady book), 25.0 and 25.2gr. Repeating the steps above I found the exact same results this morning. The stronger the load the tighter the groups, working down from 1.2" to 0.8" this time at 25 yards. The vertical spread was most noticeably affected and steadily decreased with the rise in charge. Even with the 25.2gr loads there were no indications I was pushing the cartridge though it was a stout round to fire (and a lot of fun).

    I also found an article by John Taffen where he indicated his preference for 25gr of H110 with the 240gr XTP as well. http://www.sixguns.com/tests/tt44mag.htm

    I think I will call it quits here and just have fun shooting the 25gr loads. Plenty of fun, very accurate and more then enough power. Soon I will be picking up a Chronograph to help validate and put a fps # on my loads.

    Sitting here board at work waiting to go home so I thought I would share.
    Last edited by dstewart; 07-19-2010, 11:32 PM.
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    reggie 00
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    • Jun 2008
    • 340

    Nice set up.
    I am 90% done in my man cave so once i get some brass i'll be doing some .44.

    Thanks for the nice write up, will be waiting for the chronograph results.


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      Southpaw45
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      • Sep 2008
      • 2332

      All my reloading manuals and the Hodgdon web site show 25grs of H110 with a 240gr projectile as being off the chart on the high side. "WAY TOO HOT!" I shoot a scoped Ruger Super Redhawk with a 9 1/2 in barrel and have settled on a load using Hornadys 240gr XTPs with 23.0grns of WW296 with a Winchester magnum primer. C.O.L of 1.600. Hodgdon H110 loads the same as WW296. This load is plenty accurate shooting 2in groups at 75 yards with a Leupold fixed 4 power scope off a bench rest and bag. Same scope as yours. Its got the power to drop heavy skinned game in there tracks. I took a 305 pound boar back in 1999 with this load with a single shoulder shot. Bullet retained 70% of its weight after crushing heavy bone. Just my two bits. Nice looking revolver by the way....
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        bjl333
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        • Dec 2009
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        Originally posted by reggie 00
        Nice set up.
        I am 90% done in my man cave so once i get some brass i'll be doing some .44.

        Thanks for the nice write up, will be waiting for the chronograph results.
        Seeing the picture I think its a GalCave for Dee.

        Nice setup and nice SBH !!!


        Eventhough the load may be accurate and there are no pressure signs, do you need such a HOT load ???

        Granted the SBH is one of the strongest revolver out there, sustained hot loads for any gun is gonna wear. For revolvers the forcing cone and top strap is gonna go, but the timing might be the first to go.

        Have you try other powders? Just to see if there is another load thats just as accurate? Anyways your gun, your hand ... my thoughts !!
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          dstewart
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          • May 2010
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          Originally posted by Southpaw45
          All my reloading manuals and the Hodgdon web site show 25grs of H110 with a 240gr projectile as being off the chart on the high side. "WAY TOO HOT!" I shoot a scoped Ruger Super Redhawk with a 9 1/2 in barrel and have settled on a load using Hornadys 240gr XTPs with 23.0grns of WW296 with a Winchester magnum primer. C.O.L of 1.600. Hodgdon H110 loads the same as WW296. This load is plenty accurate shooting 2in groups at 75 yards with a Leupold fixed 4 power scope off a bench rest and bag. Same scope as yours. Its got the power to drop heavy skinned game in there tracks. I took a 305 pound boar back in 1999 with this load with a single shoulder shot. Bullet retained 70% of its weight after crushing heavy bone. Just my two bits. Nice looking revolver by the way....
          25gr of H110 is off the chart but I would have to disagree with "WAY TOO HOT!". Mater of fact it did not show any signs of being a hot load at all, even at 25.2gr. In some guns it may be a hot load but in the Ruger SBH I tested it in, there where no signs of excessive pressure at all. I do show a load for the 240gr XTP at 26.1gr of H110 listed for Rifles, that tells me at least as far as overall charge volume there is a bit more room for compression. No, Im not even going to think about trying to load it up to that level LOL.

          I believe the load books, even the max load, are staying a bit on the conservative side due to the multitude of firearms of various strengths. This test was to fined out if using the combination of components (mag primer especially) would result in a sticky extraction or any other signs of excessive pressure. Not only did it show how strong the Ruger was it also validated what I have been told and have read regarding H110 obtaining best accuracy at max loads.
          Last edited by dstewart; 07-21-2010, 1:36 AM.
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            dstewart
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            • May 2010
            • 184

            Originally posted by bjl333
            Seeing the picture I think its a GalCave for Dee.

            Nice setup and nice SBH !!!


            Eventhough the load may be accurate and there are no pressure signs, do you need such a HOT load ???

            Granted the SBH is one of the strongest revolver out there, sustained hot loads for any gun is gonna wear. For revolvers the forcing cone and top strap is gonna go, but the timing might be the first to go.

            Have you try other powders? Just to see if there is another load thats just as accurate? Anyways your gun, your hand ... my thoughts !!
            I have used Lil'gun in the past with my 454 but talking with Bob Baker at Freedom Arms Im going to stick with H110 from now on for max power stuff. They found Lil'gun and the combination of some bullets with some calibres to be particularly harmful to the forcing cone. They believe the pressure of Lil'gun was reaching max just as the bullet would enter the forcing cone and the gases would etch and wear the cone. This was predominately with the 475 Linebaugh and 400gr Jacketed full power loads. They have seen Lil'gun case the same kind of wear on other calibres as well.

            Being I want to stick to as few components as possible and try to consolidate I found H110 to be the best powder for 44, 454 and 475 full power loads. I am curious about N110 and may give it a go.

            As far as needing full power 240gr 44mag loads, no, I dont need them. I also dont need a 380lb 150rwhp road race bike, but they both brings smiles to my face
            Last edited by dstewart; 07-21-2010, 12:45 AM.
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              bjl333
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              Originally posted by dstewart
              380lb 150rwhp road race bike

              D, What series do you race in ???

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                dstewart
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                • May 2010
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                Yep, WSMC #51.
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                  bjl333
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                  Originally posted by dstewart
                  Yep, WSMC #51.
                  RC51 ?? Had some friends over the years that ran WSMC. Kenny Perez, Herb Brunner, Roger Lan, Jack Chen and a few more I can't think of now. Any of them ring a bell ?
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                    dstewart
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                    • May 2010
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                    Kenny Perez does. Kenny Kopecky (you may know) is also a member here, I think he goes by WSMC27. I started racing in 2007 with WSMC after I moved out here from AZ so some of the names where before my time.

                    Yep, the 11 year old RC51 still give the 750SBK's and HW Twins a run for their money. I could put it on the podium as long as the AMA regulars weren't cherry picking that weekend. I dropped a valve a few months ago and Im in the process of building another engine right now. Hope to be finished with it in September.
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                      dstewart
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                      • May 2010
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                      I just took some pics of the 25 yard target. The 50 yard target was a bit more impressive but we threw a few round of 45 at it at the end of the day so it didnt look so nice. The main thing is, the tighter vertical spread with the increased loads. This was also off a crappy wood block rest under the barrel, I think I would have improved 25% or more with a proper rest (and a bit more practice). I think I held my concentration a bit more with the target at 50 yards that lead to slightly more gathered groups.

                      24.0gr charge 1.2" group


                      24.5gr charge 1.0" group


                      24.8gr charge 1.2" group


                      25.0gr charge 0.9" group


                      25.2gr charge 0.8" group



                      Im looking at this rest for the future.


                      And a nice Chrono with the USB interface and software to store the load info.
                      Last edited by dstewart; 07-21-2010, 9:03 AM.
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                        dstewart
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                        • May 2010
                        • 184

                        Picked up a Competition Electronics Pro Digital Chronograph. Here are some #'s to go with the loads.

                        This was out of my 7.5" Ruger Super Blackhawk Hunter. 85-90 deg ambient.


                        String: 6 24.5gr H110 240gr XTP Fed #155M COL 1.580" Trim 1.255" (warm gun)
                        Date: 08/06/10
                        Time: 0932 PM
                        Grains: 240
                        Hi Vel: 1518
                        Low Vel: 1484
                        Ave Vel: 1498
                        Ext Spread:34
                        Std Dev: 14
                        Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
                        1498 359.52 1195.74
                        1484 356.16 1173.49
                        1513 363.12 1219.81
                        1484 356.16 1173.49
                        1494 358.56 1189.36
                        1518 364.32 1227.88




                        String: 7 25.0gr H110 240gr XTP Fed #155M COL 1.580" Trim 1.255" (gun warm)
                        Date: 08/06/10
                        Time: 0959 PM
                        Grains: 240
                        Hi Vel: 1544
                        Low Vel: 1523
                        Ave Vel: 1533
                        Ext Spread:21
                        Std Dev: 8
                        Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
                        1523 365.52 1235.98
                        1530 367.2 1247.37
                        1544 370.56 1270.3
                        1525 366 1239.23
                        1543 370.32 1268.66
                        1534 368.16 1253.9
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