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  • #16
    EBR Works
    Vendor/Retailer
    • Dec 2007
    • 10492

    The small base/standard die discussion has already been beat to death.

    Whichever die you prefer, use a case gauge to set it up properly.

    This is a useful post from thehighroad.com:

    I have a bunch of Wilson cartridge headspace gages. They cost $15.00 or so. There are two ledges on the back. Each ledge corresponds exactly with “GO” and “No Go” chamber headspace gages. The deeper ledge is the “Go”, the upper ledge is the “No Go”.

    Depending on the resolution of your screen, these ledges might be hard to see in the attached picture. The difference between "Go" and "No go" is only around .006".

    You set up your sizing die by simply sizing a case then dropping it in the gage. If the shoulder to base length of the case is above the “No go”, you turn the die in a little more to size the case a little more. If the case base is below the “Go”, you are oversizing your case and need to back the die out a bit.

    I recommend to size to gage minimum for gas guns. Bolt guns are less fussy with ammo so you can play around with shoulder depth to extend case life.

    There are more sophisticated gages on the market and many bolt gun users set the case shoulder back an exact amount, like .003” or so.

    Wilson gages are cut with a special reamer: the distance from shoulder to base is correct but the gage is cut big between the shoulder and the base. You can drop a fired case into one of these gages and determine from the expanded case if you have a headspace issue with your rifle chamber. Plus or minus a little error.

    There have been a few times when I found I could not size a case below the "No Go" of the gage no matter how much I turned the sizing die down. That is when I figured out that the die was too long and I had to grind material from the bottom of the die to get the sized cases to the proper length.

    You will occasionally read threads where this happens to other folks. They completely full length size a case and can't figure out why they are having stiff bolt closure. Without gages they did not know they had a sizing die problem.

    You will also read threads where reloaders claim that small base dies "over work" the brass. Mostly likely they are oversizing their cases in the small base dies and don't know what they are doing because they don't have a gage.

    The bottom line is having a way to measure how much you are sizing your rifle cases is a great thing. It will solve problems and keep you from having problems.
    Last edited by EBR Works; 03-04-2010, 1:13 PM.


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    • #17
      mjsweims
      Senior Member
      • May 2009
      • 807

      Originally posted by C.G.
      If you want to save some money next time around just get some Lanacote or Lanolin, same stuff as Hornady or, I am told, Dillon case lubes.
      If you want to make it into a spray then just mix Lanacote or Lanolin with isopropyl alcohol at least 91% pure (99% is best, less than 91% will not mix well; it is 4 to 5 parts alcohol and 1 part Lanacote/Lanolin); try to mix when warm and do not warm by direct fire.
      Thanks for the tip. I've got lots of Lanocote in the shop. Don't want to mess with a spray though.
      Jack

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      • #18
        C.G.
        Calguns Addict
        • Oct 2005
        • 8247

        Originally posted by mjsweims
        Thanks for the tip. I've got lots of Lanocote in the shop. Don't want to mess with a spray though.
        No worries, one plus of the spray is that it is more difficult to overlube with the spray unless you have a full auto sprayer (and personally I also hate Lanacote on my fingers and under my fingernails).
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        • #19
          incredablehefey
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2010
          • 1853

          best advice I've seen so far on the entire web-sight... worked like a charm. you should give advice that good out for free, you should charge for it!
          "The need in public and private life is common sense, decency, courage." - President Roosevelt

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          • #20
            incredablehefey
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2010
            • 1853

            my bad

            this is the best idea

            Originally posted by mjsweims
            I've had the problem with 30-06 due to inadequate case lube.
            Now I use Hornady Unique (a solid wax like product). I didn't have much luck with the spray stuff. The RCBS case lube and pad also seemed to work ok.

            I made up my own stuck case remover kit with what I had lying around:
            3/16 drill bit
            1/4-20 tap
            5/8 long socket
            some 1/4" bolts nut and washer
            "The need in public and private life is common sense, decency, courage." - President Roosevelt

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            • #21
              J-cat
              Calguns Addict
              • May 2005
              • 6626

              Originally posted by impactco
              The small base/standard die discussion has already been beat to death.
              So that means you haven't measured the difference?

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              • #22
                EBR Works
                Vendor/Retailer
                • Dec 2007
                • 10492

                As previously stated, I think they are unnecessary if dies are adjusted correctly. If anything, that extra .001" to.002" compression would increase pressures to resize them and could increase the likelihood of a stuck case. Do what you want. I don't use them and never will in any of my gas or bolt guns. I have been reloading since I was 13 years old and now I'm 51. Just my opinion..... YMMV


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                • #23
                  BlackRifleFan
                  Junior Member
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 53

                  From what I was reading on the FALfiles, milsurp cases can be very hard to re-size the first time if it was fired from MG's with very loose headspace. See here:

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