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  • #16
    bohoki
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jan 2006
    • 20823

    the lee debur tool works ok for inside debur but for outside debur i just use a fine millbastard file

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    • #17
      Fyathyrio
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2009
      • 1082

      Found the below helpful...

      ABC's of Reloading, 8th Edition

      Hornady "Handbook of Cartridge Reloading: 7th Edition"

      Lyman "Reloading Handbook: 49th Edition"

      Loadbooks USA "223 Remington" Reloading Manual
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      • #18
        kapache
        Veteran Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 2595

        Thanks guys I really appreciate your advices, I change the press to the Lee Challenger Breech Lock Single Stage Press. Equipment wise am I missing something else, besides the reloading manuals and the brass, primer, bullet, power

        Once again thanks

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        • #19
          ar15barrels
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jan 2006
          • 57131

          Originally posted by kapache
          I don't have enough room in my APT for a larger press so I choose a hand press.
          Originally posted by Pryde
          I would seriously rethink what you are doing if you are planning on loading .223 for a semi-auto using a hand press.
          Originally posted by kapache
          Pryde, ill give this press a try if it turns out to be a bad decision ill look into getting a different type of press.
          I give it 100 rounds before he chucks the hand press and figures out that a Black & Decker WorkMate folds up for storage.
          Randall Rausch

          AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
          Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
          Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
          Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
          Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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          • #20
            kapache
            Veteran Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 2595

            HE he I kinda figure that may happen that's why I asked you guys for your opinion. so I change the press, now I need to place my order and starting reading the reloading guides before doing anything.

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            • #21
              kapache
              Veteran Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 2595

              A quick-recap before proceeding with my order. The following equipment will be enough for me to start reloading 223.

              1. Enlarge ImageHover to Enlarge Frankford Arsenal Impact Bullet Puller

              2. Lee Chamfer and Deburring Tool

              3.Lee Challenger Breech Lock Single Stage Press

              4. Lee Primer Pocket Cleaner

              5. Hornady Shellholder #16 (17 Remington, 204 Ruger, 223 Remington)

              6. RCBS Case Neck Brush Small 22 to 25 Caliber

              7. RCBS Model 505 Magnetic Powder Scale 511 Grain Capacity

              8. Lee Deluxe 3-Die Set 223 Remington

              9. Lee Auto Prime Hand Priming Tool

              10. Frankford Arsenal Perfect Fit Reloading Tray

              11. Lee Powder Funnel 22 to 45 Caliber

              12. Lee 90114 Case Length Gauge and Shellholder 223 Rem
              12.2.Lee Case Trimmer Cutter and Lock Stud

              13. Enlarge ImageHover to Enlarge Frankford Arsenal Electronic Caliper 6" Stainless Steel

              14. Enlarge ImageHover to Enlarge Lyman Case Lube Kit


              Do I need anything else.
              Last edited by kapache; 12-09-2009, 9:28 AM.

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              • #22
                Pryde
                Veteran Member
                • Oct 2005
                • 2506

                To be perfectly honest with you I would absolutely NOT reload for semi-auto (volume) on anything slower than a turret press. I would advise you to go all out for a Dillon (I have used all types of presses and I cannot imagine how I used to make do without it), but if you are on a budget I would highly recommend a Lee turret press for only $15 more. Before switching to Dillon, I used this press for years and I was very happy with it for loading semiauto pistol and .223 rifle, you can load about 4-5x faster than a single stage press but not nearly as fast as a Dillon. I still use a single stage press but nowadays I mostly load for precision rifle (accuracy over volume).

                Also, AVOID the lee case trimmer, it is a piece of sh*t that will destroy your fingers, takes a long time to use, and never stays tight. The best cheap trimmer is the possum hollow kwick case trim, it is under $30 and can be mounted on any hand drill.

                The above mentioned press can be mounted on any cheap office desk or even a piece of plywood screwed into your wall.

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                • #23
                  ar15barrels
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 57131

                  3. Lee Challenger Breech Lock Single Stage Press
                  5. Hornady Shellholder #16 (17 Remington, 204 Ruger, 223 Remington)
                  8. Lee Deluxe 3-Die Set 223 Remington
                  9. Lee Auto Prime Hand Priming Tool
                  7. RCBS Model 505 Magnetic Powder Scale 511 Grain Capacity
                  11. Lee Powder Funnel 22 to 45 Caliber


                  1. Frankford Arsenal Impact Bullet Puller
                  2. Lee Chamfer and Deburring Tool
                  4. Lee Primer Pocket Cleaner
                  6. RCBS Case Neck Brush Small 22 to 25 Caliber
                  10. Frankford Arsenal Perfect Fit Reloading Tray
                  12. Lee 90114 Case Length Gauge and Shellholder 223 Rem
                  12.2.Lee Case Trimmer Cutter and Lock Stud
                  13. Frankford Arsenal Electronic Caliper 6" Stainless Steel
                  14. Lyman Case Lube Kit
                  I don't see a reloading manual on the list. The free reloading guides are NOT a substitute for a real printed manual with the 50+ pages of "How to reload" info.
                  I don't see a powder measure.
                  You probably don't need the shellholder if the lee dies include a shellholder.
                  Does the priming tool come with shellholders? If not, you need a priming tool shellholder which is NOT the same as the shellholder for the press.
                  Don't bother with the primer pocket cleaner and neck brush, you won't use them.
                  You don't have any way to clean cases so add a tumbler, media, polish and a media separator.
                  Skip the lyman case lube kit and order a tin of imperial sizing die wax.
                  Skip the lee chamfer and deburring tool and order a Wilson or RCBS chamfer and deburring tool. The lee deburring tool is very low quality and poorly designed.
                  Get two wood reloading trays and get cartridge specific ones, not the "one size fits all" plastic types.
                  Randall Rausch

                  AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                  Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
                  Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                  Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                  Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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                  • #24
                    Tythagoras
                    Junior Member
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 43

                    I have been loading .223 on the cheap since 2002. From my experience, ar15barrels is spot-on about a lot of things.

                    Number one priority, get a reloading manual. Get the one from the bullet manufacturer that you think you will use the most bullets from. Get two manuals if you can swing it, sometimes the data will not agree, particularly for bullet designs from different manufacturers that are similar but not quite the same (Hornady FMJ BT vs. Speer FMJ BT and so on...).

                    A powder measure made a huge difference for my reloading speed. It doesn't have to be anything fancy, the Lee Perfect Powder Measure works great for me, and is perfectly consistent with ball powders and pretty good for extruded and flake powders.

                    The Lee primer pocket cleaner really is a joke, I don't use mine at all. Primers still seat just fine after 8 firings (my oldest loadable brass).

                    I don't even know what I would use a neck brush for. Lube maybe, but Imperial Sizing Wax works if you just rub a little on the mouth rim. The expander picks it up and the case won't stick. I have use several resizing lubricants, and Imperial Sizing Wax leaves nothing to be desired (for me at least).

                    The Lee chamfer and deburr tool is junk. Throwing it away and getting an RCBS (made by Wilson) took a lot of annoyance out of reloading.

                    I went without a tumbler for a long time, and I can't recommend it. I would wash a batch of brass in dish soap and a little bit of vinegar. It worked well, but I had to dry off each case with a paper towel, and it got really tedious. I ordered the Frankford Arsenal tumbler from Midway and it works well for me. A media separator is on my wishlist.

                    I have been happy with the plastic Frankford Arsenal loading trays that midway sells. They aren't one size fits all, though.

                    You probably won't need the deluxe die set over the RGB set, as it just includes the neck sizer die, which you probably won't need if you are making ammunition for a self loading rifle. I'm happy with the deluxe die set, but my .223 is a bolt action.

                    I hate impact bullet pullers. Especially when I load a batch of 50 and realize I was reading the wrong line of my loading log book (I now have one load per page) and I need to pull the whole batch. I bought a RCBS press mounted puller, but I don't know that it's superior to the Hornady already mentioned above. You would need to pull a lot of bullets for the puller to pay for itself. I would suggest just having a mistake box, and when it gets heavy enough that you think it might be worthwhile, then get a puller.

                    Keep your powder dry and stay safe.

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