Xm193

[Prc329]

I have been using this in my Ar15 with a 1-9 twist with pretty good results. Is there anything better? Where is the best place to buy this ammo from? I have been buying it at Turners for $6.99 a box of 20.

[QuarterBoreGunner]

Is this the XM193 from Federal? in the plain brown box?

Good stuff; plain military ball. If you mean by 'better' more accurate, just try a variety of different loads and see what your rifle likes best. But for pretty much 99.9% of all your shooting I'm gonna guess that the M193 will cover all your needs.

edit: forgot to say that that's probably the going rate retail; you might check out the Ammo forum over at AR15.com; they have a regular update on prices and availability of various brands and types of .223. Check it out.

[Prc329]

Yeah, it is the federal xm193. It is in a brown box but says federal on it.

[CWM4A1]

Good stuff. I have about 3K kept for SHTF. Ammoman.com just got a new batch in, $329/1K (yikes!). Sure miss the time when it was $150/1k... should've stock more. Sportsmans Guide also has the "loose packed" XM193 in for $299.97 + shipping/1K, but those are 3rd grade ammo and you do have to sort out the real defective rounds.

As far as anything more accurate, probably won't be at that price. Federal Gold Medal Match 69gr, Black Hills 68gr all will shoot very accurately with 1:9 barrel, but you do have to pay a lot more money for it. $6.99 for 20rd is not bad by today's standard for 20rd box XM193.

[ocabj]

It's so easy to duplicate M193 on the cheap.

Get WC844 from Pat's Reloading, your basic small rifle primers, bullets from Golden West, and range brass and you can load for around 15 cents per round (give or take a cent or two).

15 cents compared to 35 cents per round. Huge difference.

[Aluisious]

Umm...what are you going to need 3k rounds of ammo for SHTF?

Zombie attack?

...hunting rabbits?

[Aluisious]

It's so easy to duplicate M193 on the cheap.

Get WC844 from Pat's Reloading, your basic small rifle primers, bullets from Golden West, and range brass and you can load for around 15 cents per round (give or take a cent or two).

15 cents compared to 35 cents per round. Huge difference.

+time

+equipment investment

[Prc329]

+time

+equipment investment

Which neither I currently have.

[Stanze]

$6.99 per 20 is a bit high for non-steel core ammo IMO. I've bought cases of XM193 on sale for $4.99 per box of 20 last year.

Get this stuff if you're going to spend a few bucks: http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM223-46090-66.html

Federal American Eagle 55gr. FMJ is very similiar(almost identical) to XM193 in specs and ballistics. Check out this link: http://www.miragetechnologies.net/FA...vs%20XM193.htm

I usually shoot Remington UMC(green and white box) 55 gr. FMJ at from Wal-Mart for $5.34 per 20.

I stay away from running Wolf in my AR, too inconsistent.

[CWM4A1]

Umm...what are you going to need 3k rounds of ammo for SHTF?

Zombie attack?

...hunting rabbits?

If you need to ask... I just like to have as much ammo as possible. I can use the ammo for above two scenario, or whatever I see fit

[Prc329]

$6.99 per 20 is a bit high for non-steel core ammo IMO. I've bought cases of XM193 on sale for $4.99 per box of 20 last year.

Get this stuff if you're going to spend a few bucks: http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM223-46090-66.html

Federal American Eagle 55gr. FMJ is very similiar(almost identical) to XM193 in specs and ballistics. Check out this link: http://www.miragetechnologies.net/FA...vs%20XM193.htm

I usually shoot Remington UMC(green and white box) 55 gr. FMJ at from Wal-Mart for $5.34 per 20.

I stay away from running Wolf in my AR, too inconsistent.

I thought the M855 was supposed to not as accurate?

[naimad]

$6.99 per 20 is a bit high for non-steel core ammo IMO. I've bought cases of XM193 on sale for $4.99 per box of 20 last year.

Get this stuff if you're going to spend a few bucks: http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM223-46090-66.html

Federal American Eagle 55gr. FMJ is very similiar(almost identical) to XM193 in specs and ballistics. Check out this link: http://www.miragetechnologies.net/FA...vs%20XM193.htm

I usually shoot Remington UMC(green and white box) 55 gr. FMJ at from Wal-Mart for $5.34 per 20.

I stay away from running Wolf in my AR, too inconsistent.

Ammo prices have changed quite a bit over the last year its like buying gas it changes weekly the first ammo you recommended is green tip ap not many places you can shoot that stuff. last xm193 i bought was 159.99 for 500 following week 179.99

[Prc329]

Stanze,

I have been sour about the American Eagle for a while. I used some 45acp in my XD and I got covered in dust. That turned me off to the whole American Eagle line. My arms looked like I was at the beach playing in sand.

[CWM4A1]

Because AR has floating firing pin... it's better to get the CCI military primer instead of regular small rifle primer, just to add additional safety measure to prevent slam-fire.

As for ballistic, XM193 shooting out of an AR usually have higher velocity. The spec sheet are not 100% accurate, as measurement standard is different (XM193 velocity and muzzle energy was measured 78 feets from the muzzle, while AE223 uses a 24" barrel and did not specify how far away they measure it... not apple to apple comparison). Talking about wound ballistic, one of the unintended feature of 55gr FMJ is the capability to fragment; and this will only be true if velocity is fast enough (2700fps and above). Faster bullet will get you longer range before bullet speed drop below the threshold. In this department, M855 type with steel core actually perform poor compare to XM193. Granted, M855 will also fragment, but the initial bullet speed is already lower then M193 type, which reduced it's effectiveness, not to mention most range won't let you shoot any round with steel in it.

[Ratters]

Umm...what are you going to need 3k rounds of ammo for SHTF?

Zombie attack?

...hunting rabbits?

Three thousand rounds is supposed to be a lot of ammo?