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  • #46
    olhunter
    CGN Contributor
    • Dec 2008
    • 3707

    Originally posted by ar15barrels
    Big 5 never ever ever sold bulk (loose) packs for $5.
    Bulk packs are a relatively new thing, within the last 15-20 years or so.
    Before that, 22 only came in boxes and bricks.
    Yeah, yeah, the bricks, whatever. 10 boxes of 50 in one box. Jeez.
    It cannot be inherited, nor can it ever be purchased.
    You and no one alive can buy it for any price. It is impossible to rent and cannot be lent.
    You alone and our own have earned it with...Your sweat, blood and lives. You own it forever.

    The title is....."United States Marine".


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    • #47
      johnrunner89
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 953

      I read somewhere that I needed to trim my cases AFTER I ran them in my FL sizing die. Is this true?

      I just ordered a Possum Hollow kwick case trimmer for .223 if that makes a difference.

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      • #48
        ar15barrels
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Jan 2006
        • 57144

        Originally posted by johnrunner89
        I read somewhere that I needed to trim my cases AFTER I ran them in my FL sizing die. Is this true?
        Yes.
        The cases grow in length during sizing, not during firing.
        Randall Rausch

        AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
        Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
        Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
        Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
        Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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        • #49
          johnrunner89
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 953

          Originally posted by ar15barrels
          Yes.
          The cases grow in length during sizing, not during firing.
          Oh okay so if I run them again through my FL die after I trimmed them I wouldn't have to trim again would I? Or would it be better to use my collet die on the first step of the reloading press after I FL sized them and trimmed? I am curious because I use the first step on the press inorder to seat a new primer in too. There are four dies on the turret. FL size die(or I could put the collet die), powder through die, bullet seater and crimp die.

          I upgraded to a turret press and am going to start doing case preperation, because before I ignored it and just shined before Thanks.

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          • #50
            ar15barrels
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jan 2006
            • 57144

            Originally posted by johnrunner89
            Oh okay so if I run them again through my FL die after I trimmed them I wouldn't have to trim again would I?
            If you trim before sizing, you are wasting your time because you only need to trim AFTER sizing.

            Don't try to re-invent the process.
            1. Clean the brass.
            2. Size and deprime.
            3. Clean again to remove lube.
            4. Clear primer pockets and flash holes of media.
            5. Trim
            6. Seat a primer
            7. Charge the case
            8. Seat the bullet
            9. Crimp the bullet if applicable
            Randall Rausch

            AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
            Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
            Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
            Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
            Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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            • #51
              johnrunner89
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 953

              Originally posted by ar15barrels
              If you trim before sizing, you are wasting your time because you only need to trim AFTER sizing.

              Don't try to re-invent the process.
              1. Clean the brass.
              2. Size and deprime.
              3. Clean again to remove lube.
              4. Clear primer pockets and flash holes of media.
              5. Trim
              6. Seat a primer
              7. Charge the case
              8. Seat the bullet
              9. Crimp the bullet if applicable
              Got it...thanks!

              As for the collet die, I heard to only use it for my bolt actions and not semi autos...fud?

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              • #52
                anyracoon
                Veteran Member
                • May 2006
                • 3698

                I just came across two bags of proccesed brass from Scharch that I bought several years ago that I had forgotten about. Like hitting the Lotto!

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                • #53
                  818gtiguy
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 1061

                  What is the quickest way to lube BOTH inner neck and case body? Even lubing each case one by one with your hands take some time..

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                  • #54
                    joelogic
                    Calguns Addict
                    • May 2008
                    • 6593

                    Put brass in box.
                    spray with lube.
                    shake vigorously.
                    Micro/Mini Reflex Red Dot Sight Mount for the M1, M1a/M14 platform

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                    • #55
                      Gunsrruss
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 1488

                      Lube

                      Buy a RCBS lube pad and a bottle of Dillon lube. Spray the pad and let dry. Then roll brass on pad one time and size and decap. It doesn't get any simpler
                      I won't be wronged
                      I won't be insulted
                      And I won't be laid a hand on.
                      I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.....John Wayne

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                      • #56
                        Spyder
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 17131

                        Me and a buddy of mine split the Giraud. It came by way of UPS on Christmas eve. We've trimmed two thousand cases since then. It is the BEST... Buy it.

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                        • #57
                          ar15barrels
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 57144

                          Originally posted by johnrunner89
                          As for the collet die, I heard to only use it for my bolt actions and not semi autos...fud?
                          the collet die does not bump the shoulder back which is usually necessary for the ammo to fit into an autoloader.
                          You need to use conventional full length sizing dies for semi auto's and lever guns.
                          Randall Rausch

                          AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                          Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
                          Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                          Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                          Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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                          • #58
                            818gtiguy
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 1061

                            But how do you lube the INSIDE of the case neck?Or do you guys lube the inside of your case necks?

                            How much does a Giraud cost for .223? I need to get me one of those..Thats the worst part of reloading..Trimming,deburring,and chamfering...I just got done loading 100rds of .223 68grainers with a rock chucker..I started at 9pm....Gotta get a Giraud...and some spray lube.

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                            • #59
                              ar15barrels
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 57144

                              Originally posted by 818gtiguy
                              But how do you lube the INSIDE of the case neck?Or do you guys lube the inside of your case necks?

                              How much does a Giraud cost for .223? I need to get me one of those..Thats the worst part of reloading..Trimming,deburring,and chamfering...I just got done loading 100rds of .223 68grainers with a rock chucker..I started at 9pm....Gotta get a Giraud...and some spray lube.
                              I don't lube inside the case neck.
                              There's usually enough carbon and walnut dust left there to act as a dry lube.

                              Giraud trimmer is $425.

                              Randall Rausch

                              AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                              Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
                              Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                              Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                              Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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                              • #60
                                Flux Capacitor
                                Senior Member
                                • Dec 2006
                                • 1811

                                I prep cases on my spare time. Its a heck of a lot more work when you make a chore out of it, but then again, I don't shoot that much

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