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  • #31
    ar15barrels
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jan 2006
    • 57117

    Originally posted by Dirtlaw
    But is that REALLY a pistol?
    It's really a handgun because pistols are generally repeaters.

    No stock so it's not a rifle.
    Overall length under 26" and a rifled bore under 16" makes it a handgun.
    If the overall length were over 26" or the barrel were over 16", it would be a title1 other firearm.
    Randall Rausch

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    • #32
      Dirtlaw
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      • Apr 2018
      • 3480

      Originally posted by ar15barrels
      It's really a handgun because pistols are generally repeaters.

      No stock so it's not a rifle.
      Overall length under 26" and a rifled bore under 16" makes it a handgun.
      If the overall length were over 26" or the barrel were over 16", it would be a title1 other firearm.
      Technicalities! But we all know the reality.

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      • #33
        ar15barrels
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Jan 2006
        • 57117

        Originally posted by Dirtlaw
        Technicalities! But we all know the reality.
        Reality is that we live by the technicalities.
        Randall Rausch

        AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
        Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
        Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
        Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
        Most work performed while-you-wait.

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        • #34
          Dirtlaw
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Apr 2018
          • 3480

          Originally posted by ar15barrels
          Reality is that we live by the technicalities.
          Maybe. That is the mantra of lawyers.

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          • #35
            morthrane
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2006
            • 954

            Originally posted by RickD427
            Nobody shoots 600 yards with pistols.


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            • #36
              Ronin6
              Member
              • Dec 2021
              • 321

              Originally posted by ngnrnlo
              You can leave dirt in the primer pocket if you want, under a shiny new primer.

              And you can sweep your living room dirt under the rug; your room will still look clean.

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              • #37
                Ronin6
                Member
                • Dec 2021
                • 321

                Originally posted by LynnJr
                Some reloaders deprime by hand so nothing touches the neck like a expander ball.

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                • #38
                  BAJ475
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Jul 2014
                  • 5135

                  Originally posted by ar15barrels
                  You are missing the wind part.
                  It's much more important than the basic geometry part at 600.
                  No, he was not missing anything. He was merely taking advantage of how you phrased your post. I for one smiled at his reply.

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                  • #39
                    BAJ475
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Jul 2014
                    • 5135

                    Originally posted by RickD427

                    Apples and Oranges.

                    Pistol ammunition isn't anywhere near as sensitive to minor differences in the loading process.

                    Nobody shoots 600 yards with pistols.

                    I still do mass-production reloading for my pistol stuff for just that reason.

                    But my mass-production rifle stuff shot 1/2 MOA.

                    My "Crazy" produced rifle stuff shoots 1/8 MOA.

                    That difference makes for time well-spent.
                    I don't know about that. IIRC there was a video of Jerry Miculek shooting an upside revolver at 1000 yds.

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                    • #40
                      ngnrnlo
                      Member
                      • Mar 2011
                      • 266

                      Originally posted by Ronin6
                      So what do you use to punch out the old primers? I have a Frankfort De-Priming hand held tool I’ve had for years……..mostly unused. Then I would Sonic Clean before Annealing, Sizing…………
                      I have a lyman depriming die in a dedicated slot on my T-7 turet press. Then I wet tumble.

                      I also keep a lee expander die (to make bent case mouths round again) and a hornady camlock bullet puller in dedicated slots on the turet.
                      Last edited by ngnrnlo; 07-29-2022, 11:32 AM.

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                      • #41
                        SharedShots
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2021
                        • 2277

                        Originally posted by Ronin6
                        Why do some reloaders remove the spent primers in a separate step vs during the sizing process?

                        Neck sizing only or also FL sizing?
                        Some people use a universal decapping die so they can deprime all their cases without sorting them first. It's very efficient and fast when you shoot different ammo/guns often. I have both a press and handheld decapping die/tool. I don't waste time sorting brass first just to deprime. After deprime I clean the cases and check for bad cases, I don't waste time resizing them and the resizing of already deprimed brass is easier and smoother.

                        For me, clean primer pockets has nothing to do with it.


                        Anyway, with super clean primer pockets I shot a cantelope sized group at 100 yards but with dirty primer pockets the group opened up to a honey dew melon size.

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                        Last edited by SharedShots; 07-29-2022, 12:52 PM.
                        Let Go of the Status Quo!

                        Don't worry, it will never pass...How in the hell did that pass?

                        Think past your gun, it's the last resort, the first is your brain.

                        Defense is a losing proposition when time is on the side of the opponent. In the history of humanity, no defense has ever won against an enemy with time on their side.

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                        • #42
                          Dirtlaw
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Apr 2018
                          • 3480

                          Originally posted by SharedShots
                          Some people use a universal decapping die so they can deprime all their cases without sorting them first. It's very efficient and fast when you shoot different ammo/guns often. I have both a press and handheld decapping die/tool. I don't waste time sorting brass first just to deprime. After deprime I clean the cases and check for bad cases, I don't waste time resizing them and the resizing of already deprimed brass is easier and smoother.

                          For me, clean primer pockets has nothing to do with it.




                          .
                          Everyone settles on their own system. Nothing bad about that.

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                          • #43
                            BrassCase
                            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                            CGN Contributor
                            • Dec 2011
                            • 3184

                            I use an ultrasonic cleaner so I'm also a lunatic and de-prime first. You should see how clean everything comes out including the primer pockets. They just shine like new brass.
                            I'd agree with you but then we'd both be wrong...
                            NRA Certified:

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                            Instructor: Basic Pistol Shooting
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                            • #44
                              Ronin6
                              Member
                              • Dec 2021
                              • 321

                              Originally posted by BrassCase
                              I use an ultrasonic cleaner so I'm also a lunatic and de-prime first. You should see how clean everything comes out including the primer pockets. They just shine like new brass.

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                              • #45
                                Dirtlaw
                                CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                                • Apr 2018
                                • 3480

                                Originally posted by BrassCase
                                I use an ultrasonic cleaner so I'm also a lunatic and de-prime first. You should see how clean everything comes out including the primer pockets. They just shine like new brass.
                                Isn't that a sweet feeling when it looks like it just came off the production line? Feels good to me anyway. And that's funny. My wife sees me as a slob who never passes the white glove inspections.

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