Rifle Brass Sorting Experiment - Part One

[LynnJr]

Your not going to get a straight answer out of him because he doesn't know.

[Capt.Dunsel]

Your not going to get a straight answer out of him because he doesn't know.

I figured that one out , about the same time I got a guess on his age .

When my father started giving answers like this , and not remembering even who I was I let him ramble to make him as happy as I could his last few years with us .

[J-cat]

I think I know what he meant by caming over. His position is that the linkage does not cam over until the ram reaches tdc and then starts to come down.

See, we’re just caming. He’s the only one who cams over.

[divingin]

Your not going to get a straight answer out of him because he doesn't know.

I don't think that's true. I think the problem is he has one naming convention, and sticks with that rather than try to actually communicate. If someone doesn't agree with what he said, how he said it, it's a complete disagreement. He's right because what he said was so vaguely described that only he knows what he said. Which is why he keeps bringing up random names for things and old tools and such that nobody but an old timer has heard of: Keeps him relevant in his mind.

In any case, whether he does or doesn't know isn't really an issue, because he isn't helping anyone who reads his posts.

[HUTCH 7.62]

I separate casings by tensions.

Huh?

[fguffey]

Huh?

He has no clue or definition of tension as it applies to reloading. He can not measure tension, he does not have a tension gage, that causes him to spend a lot of time tying to make himself look good at someone else's expense.

He can not say "I do not know",

Again, Lyman described bullet hold, they said bullet hold is measured in pounds. I have asked many times for a conversion from tensions to pounds, I have asked for a gage that measured pounds and tensions,

A tool manufacturer made a hydraulic seating die complete with a hydraulic gage; the gage measures pounds. If there was such a thing as measuring neck tension the gage would have been marked off in tensions. If there was such a way to measure neck tension there would be a conversion chart.

Again and again I have said I have tension gages, not of my tension gages measure tension, all of my tension gages are marked off in pounds.

And then there are reloaders that have acquired the necessary experience to be able to bump believing they can bump the shoulder back; that comes at about the same time they learn how to move the shoulder back. There is not one of them that understands it is impossible to move the shoulder back. I ask; "How do you do that?" in all honesty I say it is impossible to move the shoulder back.

I would think there was a reloaders on this forum that had the skill and ability to determine if it was possible. I do not want to overload anyone. I can shorten the distance from the shoulder to the case head, I can not move the shoulder back and the shoulder I finish with is not the same shoulder I started with.

But when the tensioners say everyone is supposed to know what they are talking about.

I do not know what they are afraid of.

F. Guffey

[J-cat]

Neck tension is the amount of grip by the neck on the bullet. It’s measured in thousands of an inch, not pounds.

Pounds are used to measure bullet seating effort. Neck tension is static. Bullet seating effort is dynamic.

[LynnJr]

He has no clue or definition of tension as it applies to reloading. He can not measure tension, he does not have a tension gage, that causes him to spend a lot of time tying to make himself look good at someone else's expense.

He can not say "I do not know",

Again, Lyman described bullet hold, they said bullet hold is measured in pounds. I have asked many times for a conversion from tensions to pounds, I have asked for a gage that measured pounds and tensions,

A tool manufacturer made a hydraulic seating die complete with a hydraulic gage; the gage measures pounds. If there was such a thing as measuring neck tension the gage would have been marked off in tensions. If there was such a way to measure neck tension there would be a conversion chart.

Again and again I have said I have tension gages, not of my tension gages measure tension, all of my tension gages are marked off in pounds.

And then there are reloaders that have acquired the necessary experience to be able to bump believing they can bump the shoulder back; that comes at about the same time they learn how to move the shoulder back. There is not one of them that understands it is impossible to move the shoulder back. I ask; "How do you do that?" in all honesty I say it is impossible to move the shoulder back.

I would think there was a reloaders on this forum that had the skill and ability to determine if it was possible. I do not want to overload anyone. I cam shorten the distance from the shoulder to the case head, I can not move the shoulder back and the shoulder I finish with is not the same shoulder I started with.

But when the tensioners say tension everyone is supposed to know what they are talking about.

I do not know what they are afraid of.

F. Guffey

I can move the shoulder back on my
Steelhead cases with ease. I cut the threads off with my lathe which shortens the brass about 1/4 inch. I then rethread and install onto the steelhead and the shoulder has been moved 0.265 and nothing else has changed but the shoulder was moved