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  • #16
    Pardini
    Senior Member
    • May 2014
    • 1204

    Powder coating seems like it would be problematic.
    Originally Posted by OCEquestrian View Post
    Excellent! I am thinking about it as well and I only have 4 points and an unfortunate "match bump" up to expert classification where I am far less "competitive" with my peers there.

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    • #17
      McGuiver
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2016
      • 1022

      Originally posted by golfish
      So we all know its not a money saving trip. Kudos to you for doing it, you just might make a better 22LR.



      How is it that there is no hazmat fee?


      It is how the shipping rules work.

      Primers shipped = Hazmat

      Brass Cases shipped = normal freight

      Primed Cases shipped = normal freight

      Loaded Ammo = Hazmat

      Here is some more info about this...


      Hello everyone - Since this is my favorite forum, I feel compelled to share with all of you the REAL low-down on the laws and regs surrounding the shipment of primed brass. After a ton of confusion, misinformation (on other blogs) and general assumptions regarding the shipment of primed...




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      • #18
        McGuiver
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2016
        • 1022

        Loading and/or reloading 22 LR...

        Originally posted by Pardini
        Powder coating seems like it would be problematic.

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        • #19
          Spyder
          CGN Contributor
          • Mar 2008
          • 17296

          Loaded ammo is not hazmat.

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          • #20
            kramynot
            Member
            • Jul 2007
            • 258

            I didn't know you could buy primed 22lr cases! I'm going to have to look into this. I load for everything I own except 22lr (and cast my own bullets for about 90% of the loads) and have thought it would be fun to work up different 22lr loads. I looked into this in the past but didn't feel like putting in the work but with primed cases available....

            Anyway, my thoughts, which really aren't worth much, are:

            1. There is a section on the castboolits for rimfire reloading. I think the focus is more on black powder loads, but there may be some helpful info there.

            2. I do load for 32s&w (short) and 32ACP and the biggest issue I came across was metering the powder. None of my powder measures (Lee & RCBS) could throw a charge small enough with enough consistency and the Lee powder dippers are too large. So I created powder dippers from old 22lr cases and they work very well. I just cleaned out the old primer with a pick and kept cutting down the brass until I got the charge I wanted. Initial cuts were using my dremel with a cutoff tool, then when it got close, I used a file to file it down. Initially I would braze/solder a piece of a wire coat hanger to the brass case for a handle but found that it was easier to raid my wife's craft drawer and steal her E6000 and just epoxy the handle on.

            Good luck! It'll be interesting to see how this turns out.

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            • #21
              Canucky
              Veteran Member
              • Dec 2007
              • 4265

              I found CCI coated shot excellent out of my conversion as well. Good luck on your in devour OP. I did purchase a Neal Waltz FP/HP die long ago. To be used on bulk rimfire and shorts. Making these more lethal (humane) on pests.

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              • #22
                God Bless America
                Calguns Addict
                • May 2014
                • 5165

                Originally posted by McGuiver
                You guys need to think the long game. This is about having the ability to build your own. This state (Crapifornia) keeps taking more and more rights away. Now is the time to figure out how to do your own before its too late...

                Total cost of 2000 primed cases to my door is $57.76

                That is $0.029 per case...

                To me the ability to have ammo is priceless...

                Lead per pound is $1.00 and at 40 grains I can cast 175 bullets per pound. Bullet cost each is $0.006

                Powder at estimated $30 per pound is $0.005 per shot at 1 grain.

                Total cost of assembled bullets is...

                $0.029 Primed Case
                $0.006 Lead Bullet
                $0.005 Powder

                Total cost of assembled round is $0.04

                Not bad for custom ammunition. All cost have been rounded up.

                At $20 per 500 fully custom loaded, that is a good deal now days.

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                You will never get better than factory ammo for that cost. You will spend $$$ working up loads, casting, lubing, etc.

                Do it for entertainment, not logic.

                For practicality, buy aguila super extra on sale, it is great ammo. Buy 5k and you will likely not have to buy more. It will take up less room and weight than the equivalent loading equipment and supplies.

                Where will you get the proper .22lr powder? Dead-soft lead?

                Do it for fun, not because it makes sense.
                Last edited by God Bless America; 08-03-2019, 8:50 AM.

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                • #23
                  God Bless America
                  Calguns Addict
                  • May 2014
                  • 5165

                  Originally posted by McGuiver
                  Yup. And no registration $ for the ammo...


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                  A whole dollar? All at once?

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                  • #24
                    Grendel Guy
                    Veteran Member
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 3097

                    Originally posted by God Bless America
                    A whole dollar? All at once?
                    We'll, that's where it starts....

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                    • #25
                      Dragginpanda
                      Senior Member
                      • Jul 2014
                      • 521

                      Because there isn’t a primer, then do you need to make a gunpowder paste to coat the inside of the rim where the firing pin would hit.

                      After your primed cases wear out, you could probably straighten the brass where the firing pin hit.

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                      • #26
                        JagerDog
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • May 2011
                        • 15708

                        Too much work for me and I'm happy to reload popular centerfire for the cost of bulk commercial ammo. But at least I can reuse the brass.

                        Frankly, if comes down to being able to make ammo should it become unobtanium, I'd rather invest in making jacketed .223 bullets using 22LR cases as jackets.
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                        • #27
                          Capt.Dunsel
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2011
                          • 1199

                          God Bless America , You get much better quality ammo by reloading/loading . Olympic shooters have been doing it for years . Why do you think the primed cases are available ?

                          Dragginpanda , you don't use gunpowder paste to make the priming compound in reloading rimfire cases . And you remove the dimple in used cases , it is very easy , takes about as much time as removing a primer from a centerfire case .

                          Jagerdog , I also swag bullets from empty , worn out rf cases for my 218 Bee . Takes the same amount of time for either project .

                          My Grandfather reloaded 22 rf ammo during the depression to keep his family fed , I was lucky enough to get his tool , which he made , and his bullet mold , which he also made . I also got all his loading data from his notebook .
                          He used shotgun shells for both the lead and powder , was easier for him to get a couple of shells from neighbors than get loaded ammo for the 22 . One shotgun shell made/makes 20 rounds of rf and if the shot is the right size , no molding is needed . Can be done in the field .
                          Last edited by Capt.Dunsel; 08-03-2019, 6:27 PM.
                          Bweise says "I have to say the situation was not at all helped by 22 yr old former Airsoft douches who kept touting here, "But possession is not illegal!" "

                          Fighting on the internet is like being in the special Olympics , everybody wins but your still retarded.

                          Librarian " Calguns is not a 'general discussion board".

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                          • #28
                            McGuiver
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2016
                            • 1022

                            Here is another powder I will try...

                            3N37

                            Vihtavuori’s 3N37 handgun powder was originally developed for .22 rimfire cartridges, but has since proven to be very versatile and desirable within all





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                            • #29
                              God Bless America
                              Calguns Addict
                              • May 2014
                              • 5165

                              Originally posted by Capt.Dunsel
                              God Bless America , You get much better quality ammo by reloading/loading . Olympic shooters have been doing it for years . Why do you think the primed cases are available?
                              Your posts are not primarily about the unacceptable accuracy of .22lr ammo.

                              I don't think those are match cases for accuracy either.

                              I indulge in tinkering myself, but I know when it makes better sense to buy. For me, .22lr is a perfect example of that.

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                              • #30
                                Capt.Dunsel
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2011
                                • 1199

                                Originally posted by God Bless America
                                Your posts are not primarily about the unacceptable accuracy of .22lr ammo.

                                I don't think those are match cases for accuracy either.

                                I indulge in tinkering myself, but I know when it makes better sense to buy. For me, .22lr is a perfect example of that.
                                10 shots into a dime size circle at 50 yds is good enough accuracy from my loaded 22 rf in my rifles , I load a bit different for each , custom tuned for each.

                                I find it extremely acceptable.
                                Bweise says "I have to say the situation was not at all helped by 22 yr old former Airsoft douches who kept touting here, "But possession is not illegal!" "

                                Fighting on the internet is like being in the special Olympics , everybody wins but your still retarded.

                                Librarian " Calguns is not a 'general discussion board".

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