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  • John Browning
    Calguns Addict
    • May 2006
    • 8089

    Need 10mm load for Alaska

    What's your preferred 10mm load for Alaska? Going fishing and while I will have a .45-70 nearby, I will be carrying my stock Glock 20. I'm thinking of the Underwood Xtreme Penetrators but they are so expensive that I have only a box through the gun. I reload so much cheaper options are a possibility.

    I have Longshot and AA #7/#9 on hand for powder. I have a lot of Nosler JHP 200gr bullets and Hornady 180gr XTPs.
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    Originally posted by KWalkerM
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  • #2
    MongooseV8
    Veteran Member
    • Apr 2010
    • 4426

    I would use something I knew was going to hold together. Either a hardcast lead bullet or a mono copper like the lehigh defense bullets used in your Underwood ammo.

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    • #3
      TripleThreat
      CGN Contributor
      • Mar 2012
      • 2639

      Glocks and reloads don't go together. I'd find some factory hardcast if possible.
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      LINK: 9mm Shootout: BHP vs 92A1 vs SP-01 vs P-01

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      • #4
        JackEllis
        Veteran Member
        • Nov 2015
        • 2731

        Probably not what you want to hear but the likelihood yo'd need to use your gun is pretty tiny. I've spent two weeks fishing up there in two locations for the last 6 or 7 years and while we see bears, they tend to run the other way when they see people if they're even up and about during the day. At Brooks Lodge there were bears everywhere and it was pretty much the same deal. Older bears stay out of camp because they've been conditioned to stay away from people.

        Worst case is, they'll steal one of your fish.

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        • #5
          MrElectric03
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2010
          • 1590

          You want a hard cast bullet, no hollow points. Also shooting lead bullets you will want a different barrel, the rifling in Glock barrels is not lead friendly. I use an AlphaWolf barrel on my G20 gen4 with an alpha wolf compensator. Looks just like a Glock40. LoneWolf is an Idaho company and make great products.

          My load uses 11.5 gr AA#9, 200gr hard cast bullet made by Beartooth bullets(same bullets used by DoubleTap in hardcasr loads). I trickle meter my loads. Use this data at your own risk. I spent a lot of time testing this and suggest you start low and work up to it. I haven't had to use it yet and hope I never do.
          Originally posted by ar15barrels
          So you are throwing out 95% of reality to select the 5% of reality where you are actually right?
          We must be on calguns...

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          • #6
            waveslayer
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2012
            • 1728

            I use buffalo bore ammo for bears. Good stuff

            My wife thinks I only have 3 guns

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            • #7
              G38xOC
              Veteran Member
              • Dec 2009
              • 3749

              I put 2 mags in this way .. Lehigh - HP - Lehigh - HP and on n on . get the most out of lehigh in every mag lol

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              • #8
                MongooseV8
                Veteran Member
                • Apr 2010
                • 4426

                Originally posted by TripleThreat
                Glocks and reloads don't go together. I'd find some factory hardcast if possible.
                Thats funny, Ive literally never shot factory ammo through several Glocks. Each of them has shot tiny groups as small as my TRP.

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                • #9
                  kcstott
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Nov 2011
                  • 11796

                  Originally posted by TripleThreat
                  Glocks and reloads don't go together. I'd find some factory hardcast if possible.
                  Maybe your glock and your reloads don't go together.

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                  • #10
                    kcstott
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 11796

                    Originally posted by John Browning
                    What's your preferred 10mm load for Alaska? Going fishing and while I will have a .45-70 nearby, I will be carrying my stock Glock 20. I'm thinking of the Underwood Xtreme Penetrators but they are so expensive that I have only a box through the gun. I reload so much cheaper options are a possibility.

                    I have Longshot and AA #7/#9 on hand for powder. I have a lot of Nosler JHP 200gr bullets and Hornady 180gr XTPs.
                    The problem is you are using way to small of a gun. Yeah the 10mm is no slouch I know but we ain't talking black bear either, 44 mag being the recommended minimum, in reality .454 casull .460 S&W or 500 S&W.
                    I'd seriously rethink that 45-70 to unless you can load safely to 458 win mag power, which i doubt. What ever load you choose it should be a FMJ or a solid for both pistol and rifle. The reason is. a heart lung shot will just piss off the bear long enough for it to kill you. and if it was a good heart lung shot you were not in any danger anyway. You hold your ground, and you wait till the bear charges and you put two rounds in it's head. You need to treat this like an African dangerous game hunt.

                    In the world of dangerous game there is no such thing as too much gun.

                    Corbon 200gr hunter

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                    • #11
                      MrElectric03
                      Senior Member
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 1590

                      Originally posted by MongooseV8
                      Thats funny, Ive literally never shot factory ammo through several Glocks. Each of them has shot tiny groups as small as my TRP.
                      Originally posted by ar15barrels
                      So you are throwing out 95% of reality to select the 5% of reality where you are actually right?
                      We must be on calguns...

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                      • #12
                        John Browning
                        Calguns Addict
                        • May 2006
                        • 8089

                        Originally posted by kcstott
                        The problem is you are using way to small of a gun. Yeah the 10mm is no slouch I know but we ain't talking black bear either, 44 mag being the recommended minimum, in reality .454 casull .460 S&W or 500 S&W.
                        I'd seriously rethink that 45-70 to unless you can load safely to 458 win mag power, which i doubt. What ever load you choose it should be a FMJ or a solid for both pistol and rifle. The reason is. a heart lung shot will just piss off the bear long enough for it to kill you. and if it was a good heart lung shot you were not in any danger anyway. You hold your ground, and you wait till the bear charges and you put two rounds in it's head. You need to treat this like an African dangerous game hunt.

                        In the world of dangerous game there is no such thing as too much gun.

                        Corbon 200gr hunter
                        I own a .44 magnum that I've carried before. The problem with the giant revolvers is that they weigh such an obnoxious amount that you might as well carry a long gun. I also shoot Glocks competitively and my Glock to revolver ratio is probably in the neighborhood of 2,000:1 rounds per year. Like you said, body shots don't count for much and I'm much more confident in getting a CNS hit with the Glock.

                        The .45-70 is the perfect up close rifle. If you can't kill whatever it is you're trying to kill with a very hot and heavy .45-70 load out of a modern rifle, it isn't from Earth.
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                        Originally posted by KWalkerM
                        eh why bring logic into this, that makes too much sense... besides when you have bested a fool, you have accomplished nothing and he is a fool.

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                        • #13
                          MrElectric03
                          Senior Member
                          • Jul 2010
                          • 1590

                          Originally posted by John Browning
                          I own a .44 magnum that I've carried before. The problem with the giant revolvers is that they weigh such an obnoxious amount that you might as well carry a long gun. I also shoot Glocks competitively and my Glock to revolver ratio is probably in the neighborhood of 2,000:1 rounds per year. Like you said, body shots don't count for much and I'm much more confident in getting a CNS hit with the Glock.

                          The .45-70 is the perfect up close rifle. If you can't kill whatever it is you're trying to kill with a very hot and heavy .45-70 load out of a modern rifle, it isn't from Earth.
                          I agree, you also have more rounds in the Glock. If you are making the trip with someone who lives in a free state you could even have them pick you up a standard capacity 15 round mag for your G20, then they can hold it for you until the next trip. Most guys up here have gone to carrying a Glock 40 or a Glock 20 with a 6" barrel, which looks funny but it's a Glock and not the prettiest gun to start.
                          Originally posted by ar15barrels
                          So you are throwing out 95% of reality to select the 5% of reality where you are actually right?
                          We must be on calguns...

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                          • #14
                            MrElectric03
                            Senior Member
                            • Jul 2010
                            • 1590



                            This is my woods carry gun. Glock 20 gen4, AlphaWolf threaded barrel, AlphaWolf compensator, Solid guiderod, Dawson Precision adjustable night sights. I'm still considering a cheap trigger upgrade but havent decided on one. Right now it shoots great, the compensator makes for quick follow up shots and sights are rock solid. Fits holsters intended for a Glock 40.
                            Originally posted by ar15barrels
                            So you are throwing out 95% of reality to select the 5% of reality where you are actually right?
                            We must be on calguns...

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                            • #15
                              John Browning
                              Calguns Addict
                              • May 2006
                              • 8089

                              Originally posted by MrElectric03
                              I agree, you also have more rounds in the Glock. If you are making the trip with someone who lives in a free state you could even have them pick you up a standard capacity 15 round mag for your G20, then they can hold it for you until the next trip. Most guys up here have gone to carrying a Glock 40 or a Glock 20 with a 6" barrel, which looks funny but it's a Glock and not the prettiest gun to start.
                              That was the surprise to me as well with the transition to Glock. I have been going to Alaska for 25 years, and over the past 2-3 I've seen more Glocks than revolvers.

                              I would just buy a standard capacity up there and then give it to the guide at the end as part of his tip.

                              Also, I want to move to CDA.
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                              Originally posted by KWalkerM
                              eh why bring logic into this, that makes too much sense... besides when you have bested a fool, you have accomplished nothing and he is a fool.

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