Self defense bullets

[Lead Waster]

Self defense rounds are pricey, but really, aren't they just hollow points?

So shouldn't we be able to duplicate SD rounds fairly easily?

For 9mm - any recommended projectiles? I'm guessing that some jacketed hollow points is best. Then load up a hot but safe charge.

Any recommendation on weight?

Thanks!

[maxx03]

I have duplicated Gold Dot ammunition in 9mm 124, .40 180, 10mm 200, 357 sig 124, 357 Mag 158 and 45 ACP 230.
All you need is a chrono. I usually get a bout 50 fps lower than advertised velocity.
I load the most accurate load at the closest factory velocity.

[Red9]

I have duplicated Gold Dot ammunition in 9mm 124, .40 180, 10mm 200, 357 sig 124, 357 Mag 158 and 45 ACP 230.
All you need is a chrono. I usually get a bout 50 fps lower than advertised velocity.
I load the most accurate load at the closest factory velocity.

Plus 1.
Also, hst, hydrashok, Barnes, gold dots all great. Projos pop up from time to time. Get them when you find them.

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[Whiskey_Tango]

No legal issues using handloads for SD?

[JagerDog]

Sure you can. Some projectiles aren't available as components, but others are. XTP is prolly the best value of a component SD designed bullet. Gold Dot is right in there too. Not all HP's are created equal.

[Win231]

No legal issues using handloads for SD?

Yes, there are. Not a wise idea for many reasons.

[JagerDog]

Yes, there are. Not a wise idea for many reasons.

FUD

[Lead Waster]

Yes, there are. Not a wise idea for many reasons.

What are those reasons?

[Lead Waster]

Ok I found this argument on that topic;

https://gundigest.com/handguns/concealed-carry/handloads-not-a-good-idea-for-concealed-carry

Which has some compelling points.

However I think if you can get round close to your chosen rounds, then practicing with them would be a good thing.

And of course having them at hand at home is better than factory fmj probably.

[JagerDog]

Ok I found this argument on that topic;

https://gundigest.com/handguns/concealed-carry/handloads-not-a-good-idea-for-concealed-carry

Which has some compelling points.

However I think if you can get round close to your chosen rounds, then practicing with them would be a good thing.

And of course having them at hand at home is better than factory fmj probably.

Ayoob should stick to ballistics rather than legal advice.

The ONE case he cites, the accused was actually released as forensics couldn't duplicate the load which killed his GF with lack of powder burns.

No one can find a case where a good shoot became a bad shoot based on conventional ammo.

[HPBrowningMK3]

I am not a fan of Ayoob's , as many can clearly tell, but I carry Federal HSTs. I can certainly work up a load that matches many premium commercial cartridges, but my question is whats the benefit of doing so for SD?

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[JagerDog]

I am not a fan of Ayoob's , as many can clearly tell, but I carry Federal HSTs. I can certainly work up a load that matches many premium commercial cartridges, but my question is whats the benefit of doing so for SD?

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About $15/box of 20 (without a CA premium).

[JagerDog]

There is much more to a modern self-defense round than simply having a hollow point. The design and construction of the bullet plays a big role in determining effectiveness.



Duplicating the velocity is relatively easy. Duplicating the ability of the bullet to reliability expand under varying conditions is much more difficult.

Several of the best SD bullets are available as components. XTP and GDHP are well respected and reasonably priced.

I'd agree that Xtreme, Montana Gold, etc. prolly aren't the best choice for SD.

[Deedle]

Ayoob should stick to ballistics rather than legal advice.

Well legal advice and expert testimony is how he made his living, to be fair.

[HPBrowningMK3]

About $15/box of 20 (without a CA premium).

Ok, fair enough. Reloading can save a ton of money if you shoot a lot.

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