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  • #16
    Dark Hunt
    Member
    • Sep 2016
    • 420

    Originally posted by divingin
    Doubt it. It's exposed to very high temps, but very briefly.

    That said, 350 is too low to do anything to brass. Let it cool until you can handle it and shoot it.
    Correct. The brass is fine.
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    • #17
      'ol shooter
      Veteran Member
      • Mar 2011
      • 4646

      Probably looks a bit browner now, but it will load fine.
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      • #18
        kcstott
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Nov 2011
        • 11796

        350˚ is not hot enough to effect the brass at least not for the short period of time it was exposed to 350˚

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        • #19
          LynnJr
          Calguns Addict
          • Jan 2013
          • 7956

          To check the brass load up a round and see how it comes out of your gun. When you anneal brass to hot it becomes dead soft. When you then fire it the brass expands and doesn't want to spring back and will stick inside the chamber.
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          • #20
            rsrocket1
            Veteran Member
            • Feb 2010
            • 2767

            Originally posted by LynnJr
            To check the brass load up a round and see how it comes out of your gun. When you anneal brass to hot it becomes dead soft. When you then fire it the brass expands and doesn't want to spring back and will stick inside the chamber.
            Umm, I don't think so.

            When you anneal bottle neck brass, they are typically hit with a torch until cherry red, then tipped over into water. The brass is now no longer brittle from over working but is more or less like new brass which is springy and ready for more loads.

            Straight walled pistol brass (if annealed) will also no longer be brittle from over working, but your brass would have never gotten hot enough to anneal anyway so don't worry about it.

            However, I wouldn't disagree with Lynn in saying if you are worried, just load up a few rounds, shoot 'em and inspect the brass. You'll see that it is perfectly fine.

            If you are totally paranoid, just dump 'em in the recycling jug and get a few $ per pound when you accumulate enough.

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            • #21
              kcstott
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Nov 2011
              • 11796

              If you’re heating the brass to cherry red that’s way too hot for anealing.

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              • #22
                rsrocket1
                Veteran Member
                • Feb 2010
                • 2767

                The grain structure of the brass begins to change - indicating the start of annealing - at just under 500 degrees Fahrenheit. At 600 degrees F, brass will anneal in one hour. At 800 degrees F, brass will take only a few seconds to anneal.

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                • #23
                  kcstott
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Nov 2011
                  • 11796

                  Brass when heated to red is around 1300 degrees F which is way to hot

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                  • #24
                    tonyjr
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2015
                    • 1448

                    Yea , right , I stand behind the " If in doubt , throw it out .
                    I will buy brass , but only from a company .
                    I use range brass , and my own .
                    I have no idea what was done to someone else's brass ,
                    but if if was just shot , to me it is OK-if if is not split and primer pocket is tight .
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                    • #25
                      Abenaki
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 1074

                      Originally posted by sealocan
                      What do I think?

                      I think she had them on at over 500 degrees, maybe even overnight when you weren't paying attention.

                      ... and she only got caught because you noticed them in their "just 10 minutes" cooling down stage.

                      She has taken out a huge insurance policy on you.

                      She's already replaced your pistol powder with something much much hotter and might even encourage you to make some hot handloads as well.

                      If she recommends you shoot any guns with unsupported chambers...
                      you're done for Buddy.

                      It's not that she hates you,
                      but her New Year's resolutions are New Year's resolutions and apparently she takes them very seriously.

                      (Or maybe I'm thinking of my girlfriend, either way dibs on each other's guns.)
                      I lost a lot of sleep last night worrying about this.

                      Her first two husbands all died from eating poison mushrooms! Leaving her with large insurance policies!

                      I don't like mushrooms! And she has a lot of insurance on me!
                      To top it off she keeps asking if I am gonna reload that brass today

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                      • #26
                        sealocan
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Mar 2012
                        • 9950

                        ^ BAHAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHaaa!... (I had to take a breath)...HAHaahaaa hahaaa!


                        It's nice to know that they aren't trying to get rid of us for our lack of sense of humor.

                        When I mentioned to my girlfriend I might give up firearms ( that she was removing screws and parts from "in her sleep") and take up stamp collecting...

                        her first question was
                        "Did I know of any glues that were poisonous?"

                        So I went right back to firearms.

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                        • #27
                          JagerDog
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • May 2011
                          • 14364

                          Originally posted by rsrocket1
                          Umm, I don't think so.

                          When you anneal bottle neck brass, they are typically hit with a torch until cherry red, then tipped over into water. The brass is now no longer brittle from over working but is more or less like new brass which is springy and ready for more loads.

                          Straight walled pistol brass (if annealed) will also no longer be brittle from over working, but your brass would have never gotten hot enough to anneal anyway so don't worry about it.

                          However, I wouldn't disagree with Lynn in saying if you are worried, just load up a few rounds, shoot 'em and inspect the brass. You'll see that it is perfectly fine.

                          If you are totally paranoid, just dump 'em in the recycling jug and get a few $ per pound when you accumulate enough.
                          Ummm...no. "just starts to glow". There are temp indicating pastes which can help.
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                          • #28
                            divingin
                            Veteran Member
                            • Jul 2015
                            • 2522

                            Off-topic, sorry.

                            Bottleneck annealing: You want the brass at the neck/shoulder junction to hit about 700 degrees F, which is just short of beginning to glow. A pencil point propane torch's inner blue flame, just touching the rotating brass, will take about 4 to 6 seconds to heat the brass to that temp. Longer than that risks 2 potential problems: overheating the neck (brass gets too soft), and annealing further down the case than you want (softening the case body can cause case failures.) The water bath thing doesn't really do anything other than cool the brass off so you can handle it.

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                            • #29
                              Metal God
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2013
                              • 1839

                              Brass is annealed by heating it to a certain temperature for a certain amount of time. The higher the annealing temperature, the shorter the time required to anneal. The grain structure of the brass begins to change - indicating the start of annealing - at just under 500 degrees Fahrenheit. At 600 degrees F, brass will anneal in one hour. At 800 degrees F, brass will take only a few seconds to anneal.
                              That although true , is IMHO completely out of context . It would not take an hour to anneal rifle brass at 600* maybe a complete large block of brass it would but not a small thin section of brass . It also would not take just a few seconds to anneal a big block of brass at 800* .

                              Anything over 450* is changing the grain structure . Up that to 600* and you are full on annealing . Anneal a 308 case @ 600* for an hour and all you've done is ruined the brass completely do to heat transfer all the way through out the case including the head .

                              Anyways , knowing how your oven heats and maintains the temperature is most important . Does it have an avg of 350* meaning it heats to 375* then rest until 325 then reheats to 375 again then repeat . Does it say at a very close 350* all the time ? Does heat to 400*+ ever while getting that 350* constant ?

                              Seems like to many variables to contemplate . They're probably fine if really only heated to 350* but I'd still throw them out and that's my recommendation here .
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                              • #30
                                kcstott
                                I need a LIFE!!
                                • Nov 2011
                                • 11796

                                Originally posted by JagerDog
                                Ummm...no. "just starts to glow". There are temp indicating pastes which can help.
                                Sorry but thats still to hot. the brass should never glow. using the temp paste you heat until the paste turns color as indicated in the instructions.

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