Skip First Die for New Brass?

[wbunning]

I am new to reloading. Up until now I have reloaded old rifle brass with a shoulder,303,30-06. I just picked up a 45-70. It has a 3 die set since it has straight walls. I bought new Starline brass. It measures the correct case length right out of the bag.
My question is whether I can completely skip the first die and go straight to bell and prime?
Thank you

Another loader in the "I do it with new brass, anyway" camp. When I buy new brass, typically for unusual brass like .38 Short Colt and other weird stuff I load, I run it through the sizer anyway. My go-to is Starline. When I size their new brass, the fit is tight, and it feels like there is at least a little sizing going on. My Ruger GP100s have tight cylinder chambers. My Smiths will take slightly larger brass. So, check your new brass against your firearm and see for yourself whether the new stuff needs sizing.

[M1NM]

I've never re sized new brass. Common sense tells us that it's manufactured to the SAMMI spec right out of the box.

[TexasJackKin]

Nope, same edition. Pg55 Heading... "Bullet Seating" paragraph 1. Gotta a type it cause don't have scanner. Would have been easier for you to just read it. But others who don't have book will read and hopefully profit from sharing.

As to the underlined from Lyman. "Even Release" is not at issue. Because seating pressure is not a contributing factor to release pressure.

JM2c.....Hope you found this useful.

I find this all very interesting, my issue Modern Reloading Second Edition, by Richard Lee---Hard cover (Don't think that should make a difference)

Page 55 the paragraph in question has the heading "Bullet seating and crimping", and describes how how to set the die to obtain a proper crimp.

I have no doubt that your book says what you say it says, I just find it odd, that mine is different.

The section before (same page) with a heading that says "Expanding and powder charging" -- talks about how all die manufactures size their expander to leave the case .001 smaller than the bullet.

Not trying to argue, it's just odd that we have the same book and they apparently say something different...

my copy says, on page ii, Revised and reformatted in 2011, reprinted in 2012, 2013

So, I don't know, Something is different.....

PS, I did find your accounts of meeting and knowing some of the real innovators of the past, at least as interesting as anything else we've discussed here!

And your 2c is worth at least a nickle! and I appreciate your input.

[bandook]

I am new to reloading. Up until now I have reloaded old rifle brass with a shoulder,303,30-06. I just picked up a 45-70. It has a 3 die set since it has straight walls. I bought new Starline brass. It measures the correct case length right out of the bag.
My question is whether I can completely skip the first die and go straight to bell and prime?
Thank you

Is there a specific reason you want to skip that step? It'll smoothen out any dings in the rim.

[LynnJr]

[pacrat]

I find this all very interesting, my issue Modern Reloading Second Edition, by Richard Lee---Hard cover (Don't think that should make a difference)

Page 55 the paragraph in question has the heading "Bullet seating and crimping", and describes how how to set the die to obtain a proper crimp.

I have no doubt that your book says what you say it says, I just find it odd, that mine is different.

The section before (same page) with a heading that says "Expanding and powder charging" -- talks about how all die manufactures size their expander to leave the case .001 smaller than the bullet.

Not trying to argue, it's just odd that we have the same book and they apparently say something different...

my copy says, on page ii, Revised and reformatted in 2011, reprinted in 2012, 2013

So, I don't know, Something is different.....

PS, I did find your accounts of meeting and knowing some of the real innovators of the past, at least as interesting as anything else we've discussed here!

And your 2c is worth at least a nickle! and I appreciate your input.

Again proving that Heraclitus was right all those centuries ago.

I'm old, mine is the Original Hardbound "Second Edition" with a copyright date of 2003 with no listed revisions.

It also has "Bullet Seating" and "Crimping" as separate chapters.

[promethean_spark]

I prime on the press so I have to run it up anyway, might as well put it through the sizing die. Usually new brass is much easier to size than fired brass, indicating it's pretty much where it's supposed to be.

[santacruzgunner]

Is skipping a step worth a potential accident? It takes an extra 3 seconds to size your brass. Don't get in the habit of skipping steps, its a very bad practice.